Climate 'nut jobs' locked up

[TWGL1]

The ozone layer didn't go because humanity worked together to stop emissions of chemicals. This is something we aren't doing really for climate change.

The ice caps are melting at a rapid rate. We will see summers without any Ice in the north pole in my lifetime.

Oceans and lakes are acidifying, the effects of that will be catastrophic.

Is it any wonder why gen z and millenials are so so frustrated with boomers?

According to the modelling its appears this may be the case, but it’s modelling. They said the Great Barrier Reef would disappear however contrary to the modelling it’s thriving.


10 polluters
China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2.
India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2.
Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2.
Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2.
Germany, 759 million tons of CO2.
Iran, 720 million tons of CO2.

These are the countries that we need to focus on before we take drastic action here.

[Doucas]

I've asked the climate change deniers on here this question multiple times and to nobodies shock they cannot answer.

Here it is.

Can you describe the physical process which scientists say is causing man made climate change, what is it about that process you disagree with?

I guarantee not one denier can answer this, they're up there with flat earthers.

Still waiting for an answer to this. I know you deniers have seen it.

[JamesWales]

Still waiting for an answer to this. I know you deniers have seen it.

You probably framed the question wrong. It's like asking everyone if they have stopped beating their wife yet.

To answer the question is to be a climate denier. Very few are.

What is the case is that some people probably have different opinions to you on how to best deal with it.

For example, if you don't think people should be prosecuted for vandalism or serious disruption to others lives, I would suggest you are setting back the climate agenda, not helping it. That's a reasonable position and is taken with a firm belief that man made climate change is real.

Because there are no easy answers. Why don't you propose 5 thing you would like to happen to help address climate change?

[Doucas]

You probably framed the question wrong. It's like asking everyone if they have stopped beating their wife yet.

To answer the question is to be a climate denier. Very few are.

What is the case is that some people probably have different opinions to you on how to best deal with it.

For example, if you don't think people should be prosecuted for vandalism or serious disruption to others lives, I would suggest you are setting back the climate agenda, not helping it. That's a reasonable position and is taken with a firm belief that man made climate change is real.

Because there are no easy answers. Why don't you propose 5 thing you would like to happen to help address climate change?

There are people in this thread who are climate change deniers though.

1. Replace the majority of our energy supply with Nuclear Power Stations, this should have been done in the 80s/90s/2000s, this is one of the things I actually agree with Thatcher on
2. Massive investment in public transport and cycling infrastructure over cars
3. Worldwide effort into Fusion technology
4. Worldwide effort into carbon capture technology in the air and via the oceans. You might think this is a pie in the sky idea but the oceans are acidifying, the consequences of this left unchecked are devastating, human civilisation suffer badly.
5. Plant about a trillion trees

A lot these are easier said than done, three should have been done already, two we're just making token efforts really. The longer we wait the more painful the economic consequences.

[JamesWales]

There are people in this thread who are climate change deniers though.

1. Replace the majority of our energy supply with Nuclear Power Stations, this should have been done in the 80s/90s/2000s, this is one of the things I actually agree with Thatcher on
2. Massive investment in public transport and cycling infrastructure over cars
3. Worldwide effort into Fusion technology
4. Worldwide effort into carbon capture technology in the air and via the oceans. You might think this is a pie in the sky idea but the oceans are acidifying, the consequences of this left unchecked are devastating, human civilisation suffer badly.
5. Plant about a trillion trees

A lot these are easier said than done, three should have been done already, two we're just making token efforts really. The longer we wait the more painful the economic consequences.

I largely agree, although I'm not sure what 'effort into' entails.

Real big mistake of Germany to get rid of nuclear. I must say I have never really understood the greens vehement opposition to it, which I think has lessened in time.

I'm not really anti car either. I'd welcome far more focus on how we are actually using energy, our reliance on phones, global supply chains, 'next day delivery', things like that that really add.

I know so many people who think they are green but they really aren't.

[TWGL1]

I largely agree, although I'm not sure what 'effort into' entails.

Real big mistake of Germany to get rid of nuclear. I must say I have never really understood the greens vehement opposition to it, which I think has lessened in time.

I'm not really anti car either. I'd welcome far more focus on how we are actually using energy, our reliance on phones, global supply chains, 'next day delivery', things like that that really add.

I know so many people who think they are green but they really aren't.

Like this person - hmmmmm

Extinction Rebellion leader drives gas-guzzling diesel car and buys imported food from other side of world

https://www.gbnews.com/news/extincti...l-car-shopping

Scientists estimate that transporting food around the world accounts for approximately six per cent of the globe’s greenhouse gas emissions.

Humans alone make up about 20%

[Eric Cartman]

It's not mental. What I've said is correct.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the green movement, they aren't suffragettes. The suffragettes were fighting for the right to speak. The green movement (like every one) has that right.

And it is true that any political movement has to be economically and socially sustainable too - or else it will lose support.

That's why it's often pretty frustrating when you look at the people who spearhead these movements who have all the zeal, pomp and self importance of a Victorian missionary, but fundementally don't care about people in the here and now.

You need to have both to succeed. It no use just telling us we are all going to die if we don't listen to you, because even if that is true, it will just lead to less people listening to you.

So Brexit displayed economically sustainable ideas/ideals in your opinion?

Green Party suffers majorly from FPTP and just the fact that their core message makes people feel a bit guilty...

Is pollution good? Probably more a question for Mozzer than anybody else in this thread so far.

[az city]

This is mental.

Climate change is going to cost far far more and we will need to take much more drastic action if we don't do anything now. We could have solved this 40 years ago with nuclear energy but we chose not to because guess who funds the government... oil.

****ing enlightened centrists.

Jimbo - a "centrist? That's funny. I liked the Chemical Ali comparison.

[az city]

No, I entirely believe climate change is happening, and is a really important issue, and it should be taken forward by sensible people not by Hooray Henry's glueing themselves to the trains and bridges people use to go about their lives.

Oh, do shut up. This is yet another subject you know nothing about.

[az city]

Like this person - hmmmmm

Extinction Rebellion leader drives gas-guzzling diesel car and buys imported food from other side of world

https://www.gbnews.com/news/extincti...l-car-shopping

Scientists estimate that transporting food around the world accounts for approximately six per cent of the globe’s greenhouse gas emissions.

Humans alone make up about 20%

GBeebies as your sauce? LOL

I gather you'll be able to "enjoy" Raab bullying people live on there soon.

[az city]

According to the modelling its appears this may be the case, but it’s modelling. They said the Great Barrier Reef would disappear however contrary to the modelling it’s thriving.


10 polluters
China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2.
India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2.
Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2.
Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2.
Germany, 759 million tons of CO2.
Iran, 720 million tons of CO2.

These are the countries that we need to focus on before we take drastic action here.

I think you'll find the GBR is improving after over a decade of decline after strenuous efforts to mitigate the negative impacts on it.

[JamesWales]

CCMBs regular Nr Nice Guy being his usual pleasant self I see!

[Wales-Bales]

CCMBs regular Nr Nice Guy being his usual pleasant self I see!

I think he's a Biden dikklikker.

[TWGL1]

GBeebies as your sauce? LOL

I gather you'll be able to "enjoy" Raab bullying people live on there soon.

Why try and discredit facts …if GB News is incorrect can you provide a link please ?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Like this person - hmmmmm

Extinction Rebellion leader drives gas-guzzling diesel car and buys imported food from other side of world

https://www.gbnews.com/news/extincti...l-car-shopping

Scientists estimate that transporting food around the world accounts for approximately six per cent of the globe’s greenhouse gas emissions.

Humans alone make up about 20%

Imagine a country deciding its trading future lies with the other side of the world against that backdrop.

By the way, this humans alone make up about 20%, can you provide a link, please?

[TWGL1]

Imagine a country deciding its trading future lies with the other side of the world against that backdrop.

By the way, this humans alone make up about 20%, can you provide a link, please?

You have more time than me , but I read it the other day , if you can provide alternative commentary, then I’d be happy to be proved wrong

As an aside , I’m all for climate change I just wish the information available through official sources was more balanced. It appears that many scientists with an alter view of what is essentially modelling appear few and far between

[cyril evans awaydays]

You have more time than me , but I read it the other day , if you can provide alternative commentary, then I’d be happy to be proved wrong

As an aside , I’m all for climate change I just wish the information available through official sources was more balanced. It appears that many scientists with an alter view of what is essentially modelling appear few and far between

My mistake, I thought you had become enthusiastic about people providing links to support their statements. No problem.

[MOZZER2]

Here come the climate change deniers.

of course its a concern when it comes to climate but i'd rather listen and observe scientists rather than the usual propaganda machine that's forced upon us every day . Noticed even the weather woman on GMTV ramming it down our throats every day at every opportunity these days too

mass formation psychosis at the heart of everything these days !

[MOZZER2]

another geo scientist having there say

Australian geologist, Ian Plimer, on the climate doomsday cult:

"Every single prediction they've ever made has been wrong. They still haven't, after 30 years, shown us that human emissions [of CO2] drive global warming."

"If you cannot show that human emissions of carbon… pic.twitter.com/94HF2o9BoJ

— Wide Awake Media (@wideawake_media) April 22, 2023

[Doucas]

but i'd rather listen and observe scientists rather than the usual propaganda machine

This sentence is staggering.

Are you just unaware that climate change being man made is basically a slam dunk in terms of overwhelming evidence that science has provided?

[Doucas]

another geo scientist having there say

Australian geologist, Ian Plimer, on the climate doomsday cult:

"Every single prediction they've ever made has been wrong. They still haven't, after 30 years, shown us that human emissions [of CO2] drive global warming."

"If you cannot show that human emissions of carbon… pic.twitter.com/94HF2o9BoJ

— Wide Awake Media (@wideawake_media) April 22, 2023

Person funded by the coal mining industry says climate change isn't real shocker.

Here's a quote from this person 'we aren't emitting carbon because carbon is black and we don't see anything black come from cars'

Primary school students can tell this man is talking nonsense and you should be embarrassed you used him as 'evidence'.

[lardy]

This sentence is staggering.

Are you just unaware that climate change being man made is basically a slam dunk in terms of overwhelming evidence that science has provided?

I think he means he'd rather listen to the 0.1% of scientists who say what he wants to hear, than the 99.9% who don't.

Because if you're listening to the scientific community as a whole, there's only one conclusion.

[Doucas]

Jimbo - a "centrist? That's funny. I liked the Chemical Ali comparison.

Enlightened centrist is a term for people who claim to be in the centre and look at both sides honestly.

Every time someone says this they always turn out to be very very right wing.

Here's a list of other examples of this phenomena https://www.reddit.com/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM/top/?t=all

[JamesWales]

Enlightened centrist is a term for people who claim to be in the centre and look at both sides honestly.

Every time someone says this they always turn out to be very very right wing.

Here's a list of other examples of this phenomena https://www.reddit.com/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM/top/?t=all

See this is the problem with the internet. You can always find some totally random thing somewhere (in this case, Reddit) to back up some completely made up 'phenomena'.

You claim it's 'another' example of something, but perhaps you can stick to finding a single example in the first place - what have I said on here that is 'very very right wing'? You've just made it up.

Good luck finding it! What I said is that the green movement needs to be socially and economically sustainable to succeed and to take people with them. Not only is that not 'very very right wing' (if anything it's probably left of centre, because it's willing support for environmental sustainability) it also happens to be true.

You are rather making my point for me to be honest, so thanks for that!

Now, to keep this debate about planet earth firmly on planet earth, please find that example of something I've said here that is 'very very right wing'. You imply we should listen to evidence, so let's see how good you are are finding any. 👍

Also interested to know what lifestyle changes you have made to try and address climate change? Cos ranting on the internet doesn't do it.

[Wales-Bales]

I think he means he'd rather listen to the 0.1% of scientists who say what he wants to hear, than the 99.9% who don't.

Because if you're listening to the scientific community as a whole, there's only one conclusion.

100% said something was safe & effective until it wasn't.