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Durban only gets a single mention, my memory not what it was.
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It would probably come as no surprise that neither manager features among City's finest gaffers. Mark Hudson has the joint 5th worst win percentage, alongside Jimmy Goodfellow and only Bobby Gould, Paul Trollope, Graham Williams and Terry Yorath can boast a worse rate. Meanwhile, Sabri Lamouchi's loss percentage is 6th worst in our history, just behind Williams, Trollope, Goodfellow, Yorath and Alan Durban. Hudson's problems were lack of wins, Lamouchi's were too many defeats. Both lie 22nd out of 38 in terms of wins (Lamouchi) and defeats (Hudson), so not great, but reasonable for a team that has struggled like we have this season.
Both managers rank in the bottom 10 for goal scoring. Lamouchi's defensive record is the 13th worst of any City manager, but there's a bit of a surprise as Hudson's side had the 5th best defensive record for any City manager, only bettered by Kenny Hibbitt, Lennie Lawrence, Frankie Burrows and Bill McCandless. In fact, in terms of just league games, Hudson's City would have been ranked 3rd. Quite remarkable considering how poor we were under him (and through the whole season).
Home form, as it has been for the last three seasons at least, has been dire. Hudson's home record overall is the 2nd worst in terms of wins, Lamouchi's is ranked 5th worst. Lamouchi's goals conceded and defeat percentage are also within the bottom 10.
Only McCandless, McCarthy and Harris have better away win percentages than Lamouchi, though only 8 managers have worse way defeat percentages. Hudson's away defensive record is 3rd best among City managers.
Despite a few surprising stats, it's difficult to say that either manager, statistically at least, was better than Solskjaer.
Durban only gets a single mention, my memory not what it was.
We're at that level, worse than Alan Durban!!Originally Posted by Des Parrot
Apart from the wedding night has your missus ever seen you or are you too busy with these zany stat festivals ?
I don't think this is what she had in mind when she said I do
Have I touched a nerve?
Not stats related but have we lost a manager in similar circumstances to sabri before? Ie at the end of their contract rather than sacked (or poached but that hasn't happened since Phil neal has it?)
Call me a relationship counsellor
I think I may have found my calling
Interesting question. I doubt it. Would I be right in assuming that, years ago, managers kept their jobs on some sort of rolling contract until they got sacked? Like players, it was assumed you'd stay at the club until another club bought you. Contracts only really became "in facto" after Bosman.
Dave Jones was on a rolling contract
Miserable git
Given your lack of success in this field, I doubt it.
It's not the first time you've tried to have a dig at me here. She enjoys watching crap on TV in the evenings. I don't. There are no problems.
There was a time when Jones was the third longest serving manager in the leagues (behind Ferguson and Wenger) - after something like 6 years with Cardiff. I quite liked that - even if he was a miserable git with a talent for blowing play off pushes.
It helped that, in most of those seasons we were challenging at the right end of the Championship at some point. In the season where we started badly and never got going in the league, we got to the FA cup final.
The end of season debates always followed the same format - "he'll get us promoted next season", "no he won't he'll bottle it again"..... I remember where I was when he got sacked. New Look, Glasgow. I was delighted, only because he had convinced me that he would never get us promoted, he'd had all the chances in the world.
Oh get a grip
I am doing some gentle rib tickling not trying to upset you ff sake
Sort yourself out you soppy tart
He was over rated imo
Neither manager bought a player. The problems with the squad lie in last summer's farce.
Lamouchi is the best of a bad bunch of managers we've had this season and Morison's tactics and squad building are the root cause of our on pitch issues, with a large slice of Tan's decision making contributing to the whole mess.
I think that's a pretty fair summary. Hudson went with a more defensive approach. Lamouchi tried to be a bit more attacking. Both approaches had their strengths and weaknesses. Hudson's lack of goals was always going to be a problem, while Lamouchi's defence was likewise. Somewhere in the middle was nothingness.
Lamouchi was as good as we were likely to get
But that was until this morning
Onwards
So, if Lamouchi was as good as we were going to get, that makes Hudson not quite as bad.
Lamouchi's last two were nothing games, especially after the game on the Thursday night where the players left everything out there. The first game, he'd been there 5 minutes. He didn't have Robinson for most of his time at the club. Hudson was terrible here, the players and results were getting worse and worse. What were the positives?
There are no positives with either. Warnock had a far more positive hit with Huddersfield. He was a success there, not that I'm suggesting he'd have had the same impact here.
Lamouchi's stats for his time here aren't great. He kept us up but we had the second worst stats of all the sides that were embroiled in the relegation battle since February. Some of his stats are among the worst in Cardiff managerial history.
Carry on thinking that Hudson was shite and Lamouchi was great. They were both roughly on a par. I'm not blaming either of them, btw. They both had the same group of players, who also take responsibility for things.
in fairness to Hudson and Lamouchi, we had a massive budget to work with when we were under Solskjaer comparatively speaking
Of course, hence why I said "statistically at least".
Lamouchi was not great. He was far from that. He is also far superior to the other two we had this season. Hudson and Morison were shite. There are mitigating circumstances around Lamouchi's time here that neither Morison nor Hudson had. He hadn't been at the club a week by the time we'd played his second game. Our last two games literally did not matter. Morison signed this shower of shite and Hudson worked with them all season and we couldn't score in a brothel under him (or Morison). Eventually, things were going to go defensively, too, as players lost confidence and our attacking woes were so obvious, teams could pile men forwards against us. We were going down under Hudson. After his new manager bounce of 7 points from his first three, we got 11 points from his remaining games and by the time he was sacked, we hadn't won in 9.
As always, interesting and impressive stats from Eric and, as often happens, they serve to back up what was a gut feeling that I wouzld guess other City fans besides me share. Lamouchi was a schizophrenic City manager - away from home, I was able to watch the team with a fair degree of confidence because they discovered an ability to win games against teams around us, although when it came to sides in the top half of the table, a fading Watford apart, results weren’t great.
When it came to home games, Lamouchi was making us worse - after wins over Reading and the wurzels which suggested better to come, we lost our way completely culminating in a pathetic ten minutes or so against Huddersfield- people can say the game was meaningless (I would have liked to have seen more of an effort to get the draw which would have stopped people like me saying we would have gone down without Reading’s points deduction), but, based on what people told me, that match turned some away from Lamouchi.
Lamouchi rightly realised we had to start scoring more goals.- he was helped in that regard by a signing he played no part in obtaining, but this was balanced by the loss of our best attacker for most of his time in charge. Tactically, I credit him for realising we had to play with two up front and this meant he went with three centrebacks to try and retain our impressive goals against record, but this didn’t work and, with our goalkeeper looking more vulnerable, we lost our previous defensive efficiency.
Lamouchi felt like an improvement on Hudson to me, but not much of one - he got in a mess with substitutions once or twice and was too loyal to the likes of Ojo, Sawyers and Simpson who, to me were kept in the side in front of younger alternatives he seemed to think were less used to Championship football than they actually were.
Like one or two others have said, it seemed to me we could have appointed Lamouchi for a year or two this week and then sacked him in about four months time, so I’m not particularly unhappy to see him go, but the problem is that I have no faith in our owner coming up with the manager who will come up with improvements which are essential if we are to avoid the drop in 23/24.
He had to keep selling his best players, he did a great job when you look back, and we played good football!
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