Official Ashes Thread

[TWGL1]

When was the last time Wales didn't have a player on a Lions tour?

March 2023 ?

https://www.rugbyworld.com/news/warr...players-153087

[Harry Paget Flashman]

March 2023 ?

https://www.rugbyworld.com/news/warr...players-153087

But they were represented in the wider touring party.

[TWGL1]

But they were represented in the wider touring party.

Either way there is no guarantee that a Welsh player would be picked , that’s the point

[jeepster]

March 2023 ?

https://www.rugbyworld.com/news/warr...players-153087

Never happened though did it.

[Vindec]

I can't think of a single current Welsh player who is good enough to play for England. Back in the day we have had Hugh Morris, Steve James, Steve Watkin and Robert Croft who were good enough and should have played more but, apart from those mentioned, are there any Welsh cricketers who could have represented England but haven't?

[Hilts]

I can't think of a single current Welsh player who is good enough to play for England. Back in the day we have had Hugh Morris, Steve James, Steve Watkin and Robert Croft who were good enough and should have played more but, apart from those mentioned, are there any Welsh cricketers who could have represented England but haven't?

Steve James im sure is English.

Of those Watkin was unlucky he didnt play more. I think Greg Thomas was unlucky as well.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

So, there is no funding for cricket without the ECB. There is no investment in facilities and the sport dries up.

I've played cricket since I was 7, and the entire time all I wanted to do was play for England. It has never been an issue for me, and every single kid I played with (be it for my club or county) had the same ambition. Cricket is not football, it is a closed shop due to the insane decisions of the ICC (and BCCI). I love cricket, it is a special sport in worse hands than football.

I remember playing an age group final in Aberdare in 2005, we'd finished by the time Giles hit the winning runs and everyone went mental. There were hundreds there, everyone went bonkers. I often see this issue on twitter etc and it is almost always started by people who fundamentally don't like cricket. "Maybe I'd be interested if Wales had a team" etc. Bollocks.

Of course they fund it, its their product.

Doesn't make me want to support them and it doesn't make the team anything but England.

I've no issue with anyone who supports them if they are Welsh, Scottish, Irish etc I just don't get it. Admittedly I'm not a massive cricket fan but its great sport in the right circumstances and Stokes batting today was brilliant, I'm just glad they lost.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

Just read the article and its a hypothetical squad. FFS

[TWGL1]

Steve James im sure is English.

Of those Watkin was unlucky he didnt play more. I think Greg Thomas was unlucky as well.

Steve James is from Lydney - loved him when he represented England though

A shout out to Hugh Morris too , who was instrumental getting the Sophia Gardens upgrade and plenty of international matches being played in Wales.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Of course they fund it, its their product.

Doesn't make me want to support them and it doesn't make the team anything but England.

I've no issue with anyone who supports them if they are Welsh, Scottish, Irish etc I just don't get it. Admittedly I'm not a massive cricket fan but its great sport in the right circumstances and Stokes batting today was brilliant, I'm just glad they lost.

They fund facilities, coaching, players, Glamorgan, the whole lot.

Also, your second point. Every. Single. Time.

[splott parker]

It’s a similar situation to supporting the British Lions at rugby

Don’t upset the Irish, isn’t it the British & Irish Lions now?

[Hilts]

Some people want England to lose at everything no point arguing they wont change their mind.🤣🤣🤣

On to the 3rd Test. Time to get some revenge after today.

[TWGL1]

They fund facilities, coaching, players, Glamorgan, the whole lot.

Also, your second point. Every. Single. Time.

[the other bob wilson]

I can't think of a single current Welsh player who is good enough to play for England. Back in the day we have had Hugh Morris, Steve James, Steve Watkin and Robert Croft who were good enough and should have played more but, apart from those mentioned, are there any Welsh cricketers who could have represented England but haven't?

Think Carlson may have got a Lions tour and/or a one day cap or two if he played for a more fashionable county.

[Harry Lime]

Both sides reek of hypocrisy. Australia were caught blatantly cheating in South Africa, we had tears from Smith, Warner was supposed to be a changed man and they were going to become the best behaved side in the world, yet I’ve seen no evidence of a change in their approach. This team have shown a hard nosed, almost negative attitude which seems to be motivated by a desire to wipe the concept of Bazball out and that’s another reason why Bairstow was stupid - you should be on your guard against this team and not give them the opportunity he did.

As for England, I’ve already mentioned Broad having the gall to stand there when he was caught at slip, but I also remember from about fifteen years ago a one day international with New Zealand where there was an accidental collision between the batsman and bowler which ended with batsman being run out while he was on the floor. The umpires went out of their way to ask if Paul Collingwood wanted to withdraw his appeal, but he said no and, thankfully, England went on to lose a very tight game. I’m convinced that if the roles were reversed and it was Carey who was wandering out of the crease in the Australian innings, Bairstow would have done the same thing.

Spot on

[Harry Paget Flashman]

They fund facilities, coaching, players, Glamorgan, the whole lot.

Also, your second point. Every. Single. Time.

Like I said, its their product of course they'll fund it.

What difference does that make? I've watched Glamorgan play, been to watch World Cup games and will watch it if its on. I suppose I'm a casual fan. But cricket isn't overly inclusive so I suppose if you don't play you aren't worthy.

I am a rugby fan too but like I stated earlier I don't really get the Lions thing either.

[TWGL1]

Long Room altercation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66082409

[Harry Lime]

Long Room altercation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66082409

I can see the YouTube tagline - Bacon and egg crew going toe to toe with the convicts.

[chrisp_1927]

Hopefully this will see off for good some of the 'tradition' at Lords. Most of the report out this week was total bullsh*t. But their highlighting of the fact that Eton v harrow play yearly at lord's, but the England women don't was spot on. This whole MCC membership system is complete elitist bollocks. Glad Warner and Ussie gave them some stick back. I hope some memberships are lost!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I’m convinced that if the roles were reversed and it was Carey who was wandering out of the crease in the Australian innings, Bairstow would have done the same thing.

I think you're probably right and the English media would have portrayed Bairstow as a genius.

I will add one thing to the whole debate - there are plenty of Aussies who feel the dismissal wasn't in the spirit of the game, while there are plenty of England supporters who feel it is ok. So far this series there have been rules that have been tested to the limit already; I'm sure there will be more to come.

[Jordi Culé]

Like I said, its their product of course they'll fund it.

What difference does that make? I've watched Glamorgan play, been to watch World Cup games and will watch it if its on. I suppose I'm a casual fan. But cricket isn't overly inclusive so I suppose if you don't play you aren't worthy.

I am a rugby fan too but like I stated earlier I don't really get the Lions thing either.

'Why is Wales not a cricket nation like Scotland and Ireland?'

https://www.iwa.wales/agenda/2019/09...d-and-ireland/

[Eric the Half a Bee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUAxqig6GQE

Leeds goal ok or not?

[The Bloop]

Think Carlson may have got a Lions tour and/or a one day cap or two if he played for a more fashionable county.

I think both Mike Powell and Adrian Dale came close to the odd cap. Dale toured with the A or Lions team.
Colin Metson was also good enough but was playing at a time when the selectors rarely coughed up the Severn toll fees.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUAxqig6GQE

Leeds goal ok or not?

Play the whistle.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Play the whistle.

I've wondered how that would have panned out if City had been involved.

Imagine Swansea scoring a winner in Cardiff from a similar situation. I reckon there would even be a handful of City fans, wrongly of course, on the pitch remonstrating and the atmosphere would turn very, very ugly. I doubt many City fans would be saying we should have "played the whistle".