Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

[The Bloop]

Genuine question.......are any of the posters on here having to leave home for work significantly earlier in the morning or arriving home much later after work due to the revised speed limits?

Due to the bus timetable changes coming into force this week (for reasons other than just the 20mph limit), my bus to work is 20 minutes earlier in the morning. The return journey now departs 15 mins earlier or 15 mins later.
One argument I did hear regarding the new limits is that, if the council are serious about getting more people out of cars, then buses should still be able to travel up to 30mph.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Due to the bus timetable changes coming into force this week (for reasons other than just the 20mph limit), my bus to work is 20 minutes earlier in the morning. The return journey now departs 15 mins earlier or 15 mins later.
One argument I did hear regarding the new limits is that, if the council are serious about getting more people out of cars, then buses should still be able to travel up to 30mph.

But that could only happen where there are bus lanes. Cardiff isn't so bad for those, but there are lots of parts of Wales where there are no bus lanes at all.

[The Bloop]

But that could only happen where there are bus lanes. Cardiff isn't so bad for those, but there are lots of parts of Wales where there are no bus lanes at all.

There's no buses either in many parts

[superfeathers]

Due to the bus timetable changes coming into force this week (for reasons other than just the 20mph limit), my bus to work is 20 minutes earlier in the morning. The return journey now departs 15 mins earlier or 15 mins later.
One argument I did hear regarding the new limits is that, if the council are serious about getting more people out of cars, then buses should still be able to travel up to 30mph.

I’m pretty sure they’ve said 20mph is to reduce the accidents / deaths
I’m not sure giving buses the chance to hit people at 30
Will tie in with the policy 😂

[North Cardiff Blue]

I’m pretty sure they’ve said 20mph is to reduce the accidents / deaths
I’m not sure giving buses the chance to hit people at 30
Will tie in with the policy ��

No it's not about that at all, it's just a chance to show some power get some attention and say look at us we are doing things different, we are in a mess, the NHS in Wales is shagged we have a worse economy than the rest of the UK, more empty shops, but we locked down for longer, banned the English, stepped people driving five miles, we've got more bus lanes and fewer buses and have slower speeds look at us.

[Dave Blue]

No it's not about that at all, it's just a chance to show some power get some attention and say look at us we are doing things different, we are in a mess, the NHS in Wales is shagged we have a worse economy than the rest of the UK, more empty shops, but we locked down for longer, banned the English, stepped people driving five miles, we've got more bus lanes and fewer buses and have slower speeds look at us.

Yes the Tories are definitely showing us what we are missing here in Wales…..

[North Cardiff Blue]

Yes the Tories are definitely showing us what we are missing here in Wales…..

The English NHS is in a better situation than ours and they have fewer empty shops, shut the Country down for longer, ban English visitors, and apply a tourist tax what do you think happens?

It's almost like someone sits down in a meeting and says what do we need to do to help the economy, collects a big list, and then do the exact opposite, and while we are there let us give random free prescriptions to people who don't need them, but what about all the extra waste if people don't have to pay for them, don't worry about that it's different.

[Hilts]

Yes the Tories are definitely showing us what we are missing here in Wales…..

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Can u imagine if Arty was in charge of Wales.🤣🤣🤣

[Rjk]

The English NHS is in a better situation than ours and they have fewer empty shops, shut the Country down for longer, ban English visitors, and apply a tourist tax what do you think happens?

It's almost like someone sits down in a meeting and says what do we need to do to help the economy, collects a big list, and then do the exact opposite, and while we are there let us give random free prescriptions to people who don't need them, but what about all the extra waste if people don't have to pay for them, don't worry about that it's different.

England has a younger and wealthier population on average compared to Wales, which are 2 of the major factors that affect how much demand there is on healthcare services.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The English NHS is in a better situation than ours and they have fewer empty shops, shut the Country down for longer, ban English visitors, and apply a tourist tax what do you think happens?

It's almost like someone sits down in a meeting and says what do we need to do to help the economy, collects a big list, and then do the exact opposite, and while we are there let us give random free prescriptions to people who don't need them, but what about all the extra waste if people don't have to pay for them, don't worry about that it's different.

People in England say the Welsh Government's handling of the Covid crisis was better than the Tories.

[North Cardiff Blue]

People in England say the Welsh Government's handling of the Covid crisis was better than the Tories.

I've yet to meet one, and I work there a lot and have to speak to many people from different backgrounds, they used to laugh and ridicule Drakeford it was embarrassing and has probably added to my dislike of him and his team.

Before that none of them had heard of him. That was the problem, Covid and his daft measures gave him a little bit of power and attention, but now he seems to crave it with pointless and more different ideas that may give him a tiny little bit of attention in England, meanwhile lowering the standards of living and enjoyment for the people of Wales who he is supposed to be serving in our best interests.

Hopefully, he'll retire soon, and none of his team gets a look in and some half-intelligent more balanced mini-Starmer gets a go to try and sort things out.

As for Boris, he was way too cautious, but ten times better than Drakford and Sturgeon, if it was up to them, the UK would be in a far worse position than it currently is, they never wanted to unlock at all, and tried to stop it and the same with Brexit, delays to both have left us all in a right mess.

Time to move this to the alternative thread, 90% of people don't want to plod around at 20mph, but some people will pretend they love it because it was a Welsh Labour idea or because they are pensioners with nowhere to go and can take all day to get there.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Can u imagine if Arty was in charge of Wales.������

No he's probably just as bad, but I don't think he would do things to attract attention and for a tiny bit of fame, but we need far better than both.

[Rjk]

No he's probably just as bad, but I don't think he would do things to attract attention and for a tiny bit of fame, but we need far better than both.

the system needs to fundamentally change to incentivise good long term policies over political points scoring and getting back in at the next election

[North Cardiff Blue]

the system needs to fundamentally change to incentivise good long term policies over political points scoring and getting back in at the next election

Spot on agreed

[LeningradCowboy]

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Can u imagine if Arty was in charge of Wales.🤣🤣🤣

This is the problem. The Welsh Labour government is full of mediocrities, but the alternatives are even worse.

[az city]

Spot on agreed

Lower speed limits, more cycle lanes, and more public transport are all excellent long term policies.

[splott parker]

As for Boris, he was way too cautious, but ten times better than Drakford and Sturgeon,

This deserves a million

[North Cardiff Blue]

This deserves a million

Running Covid?

You know one in six shops is empty in Wales the worst in the UK, Yes locking down for as long as possible to try and be stupid and banning the English was a masterstroke for the Welsh economy.

[North Cardiff Blue]

This deserves a million

Running Covid?

You know one in six shops is empty in Wales the worst in the UK, Yes locking down for as long as possible to try and be stupid and banning the English was a masterstroke for the Welsh economy.

[splott parker]

Running Covid?

You know one in six shops is empty in Wales the worst in the UK, Yes locking down for as long as possible to try and be stupid and banning the English was a masterstroke for the Welsh economy.

Johnson was an utter disaster in every aspect of his premiership. A man who has only looked out for and showed concern for one person......himself. “Let the bodies pile high”....disgusting human being.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I've yet to meet one, and I work there a lot and have to speak to many people from different backgrounds, they used to laugh and ridicule Drakeford it was embarrassing and has probably added to my dislike of him and his team.

Before that none of them had heard of him. That was the problem, Covid and his daft measures gave him a little bit of power and attention, but now he seems to crave it with pointless and more different ideas that may give him a tiny little bit of attention in England, meanwhile lowering the standards of living and enjoyment for the people of Wales who he is supposed to be serving in our best interests.

Hopefully, he'll retire soon, and none of his team gets a look in and some half-intelligent more balanced mini-Starmer gets a go to try and sort things out.

As for Boris, he was way too cautious, but ten times better than Drakford and Sturgeon, if it was up to them, the UK would be in a far worse position than it currently is, they never wanted to unlock at all, and tried to stop it and the same with Brexit, delays to both have left us all in a right mess.

Time to move this to the alternative thread, 90% of people don't want to plod around at 20mph, but some people will pretend they love it because it was a Welsh Labour idea or because they are pensioners with nowhere to go and can take all day to get there.

Aha, Brexit supporting, against Covid restriction, would rather Wales be a small part of England guy. I think we know where the rest of this thread is going.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Aha, Brexit supporting, against Covid restriction, would rather Wales be a small part of England guy. I think we know where the rest of this thread is going.

I voted to remain but accepted the narrow majority, All those delay tactics badly damaged the negotiations and we are in a mess because of it. I wasn't against all restrictions and accepted the initial lockdowns, I was also pro vaccines whatever was needed to get the Country moving again. It became clear the measures were too harsh and that we stayed locked down too long and neglected the economy. Boris was at fault, but under pressure because Drakeford and Sturgeon were trying to delay unlocking and frightened a lot of you that to go back to normal life was reckless.

Wales is in a worse position because of Drakeford's extra measures and neglect of the economy instead of playing petty party politics.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I voted to remain but accepted the narrow majority, All those delay tactics badly damaged the negotiations and we are in a mess because of it. I wasn't against all restrictions and accepted the initial lockdowns, I was also pro vaccines whatever was needed to get the Country moving again. It became clear the measures were too harsh and that we stayed locked down too long and neglected the economy. Boris was at fault, but under pressure because Drakeford and Sturgeon were trying to delay unlocking and frightened a lot of you that to go back to normal life was reckless.

Wales is in a worse position because of Drakeford's extra measures and neglect of the economy instead of playing petty party politics.

Boris frightened people with his headline of people you know will die.

There have been no delay tactics with Brexit. The referendum should have specified what leaving actually meant. Instead we had all sorts of options. Leave meant different things to different people, all believing their version of 'leave' was meant. We had all sorts of deals and a no deal. It was as if "shit, they've voted to leave, what does that mean, what was promised, what do we want?"

[superfeathers]

I voted to remain but accepted the narrow majority, All those delay tactics badly damaged the negotiations and we are in a mess because of it. I wasn't against all restrictions and accepted the initial lockdowns, I was also pro vaccines whatever was needed to get the Country moving again. It became clear the measures were too harsh and that we stayed locked down too long and neglected the economy. Boris was at fault, but under pressure because Drakeford and Sturgeon were trying to delay unlocking and frightened a lot of you that to go back to normal life was reckless.

Wales is in a worse position because of Drakeford's extra measures and neglect of the economy instead of playing petty party politics.

I don’t understand what locking down longer or what was, wasn’t, could’ve, should’ve been done during covid has got to do with speed limits

[splott parker]

I voted to remain but accepted the narrow majority, All those delay tactics badly damaged the negotiations and we are in a mess because of it. I wasn't against all restrictions and accepted the initial lockdowns, I was also pro vaccines whatever was needed to get the Country moving again. It became clear the measures were too harsh and that we stayed locked down too long and neglected the economy. Boris was at fault, but under pressure because Drakeford and Sturgeon were trying to delay unlocking and frightened a lot of you that to go back to normal life was reckless.

Wales is in a worse position because of Drakeford's extra measures and neglect of the economy instead of playing petty party politics.

It’s Mark & Nicola actually, or are you just on first name terms with your kind?