Reply With Quotehmm interesting, I've got a bunch of old maps around somewhere, I'll see if they've changed at any point
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For those who know Canton well, there's something which has always puzzled me concerning Wyndham Road and Wyndham Crescent. I can only think it was some sort of error in allocating road names when they were built. The 'Crescent' is the main road from Pontcanna down to Cowbridge Rd East, and the 'Road' is in fact a crescent, off the main road, ie Wyndham Crescent. Surely they were meant to be the other way round ?
hmm interesting, I've got a bunch of old maps around somewhere, I'll see if they've changed at any point
There's a few spelt incorrectly. 'Treorky St' Cathays, unless there actually is a place named Treorky.
They definitely haven't changed since 1954.
All that area used to be orchards. I'd suspect the crescent was built first and the when the road was built later on land purchased from the Marquis of Bute they had to use road or something because crescent had already been taken.
( all Kings Road behind Wyndham Road was orchards that's why even to this day there are a lot of swifts in the area. When he sold the land the Marquis would only allow each buyer a certain amount so that everyone had a chance to make some money. That's why if you look at the houses the design changes every 5 or 6 houses... different builders/ You'll see the same pattern of houses changing every 5 or 6 buildings on Cathedral road and round Plasturton Gdns)
My paternal grandparents lived on Wyndham Road from the 1920's until their deaths in 1975 and I've always been intrigued by this so would love to get a definitive answerOriginally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Treorchi is the Welsh name.
Treorky, Treorchy, Treorki were all anglicised versions I think?
Think I've cracked it - as others have suggested, the Crescent possibly was built 1st
....https://maps.nls.uk/view/102342622
If you zoom in you can see just the crescent, no 'Road'. The current 'Road' seems to form the edge of the field[s] , or orchards.
Where did the River Canna run? Pontcanna is ‘Bridge over the Canna’ I presume. A few years back knocking a house about in Kings Rd, it was interesting that the majority of stone used in the common work was akin to Cold Knap pebbles. It was if it was retrieved from an old riverside..........just Googled it, quite interesting, there were a few bridges over it, not much of a river apparently and filled in in the 1800s.
Great map, thanks for that, really interesting. Even my old house in Grangetown (or most of Grangetown) wasn't built by then.
Didn't realise the Howells School used to be a 'Female Orphanage'
If you've nothing to do for the rest of the evening ! Founded in 1540 !
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-h...owells-charity
May be wrong..
https://www.howells-cardiff.gdst.net/news?id=138
There are other examples e.g. Redlaver Street
I actually did try and read it but failed. Looks like the charity was set up then but the building in the 1800s
If you use this one there is a slider that lets you change between the old map and a current one
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoo...ayers=257&b=10
Named after the Australian Tennis player?
There was a pit just further on from Treorchi called Abergorki, and the Abergorki name still exists in some business names.
I was told many moons ago - the reason is this , one was built before the other one. Crescent was built first - then they built the road that looks like a crescent - but it was too late - that became Wyndham road. As you say - they should be the other way around.
Brilliant thanks, spent ages last night checking out various places.
There always someone who ruins a good thread isn’t there
I used to deliver to an engineering company in the Abergorki Industrial Estate isnt that in Treorchy?
I've recently moved away from Wyndham Road and the story I was told was that they were both built at the same time and the signs were put up the wrong way around!
Exactly what my missus said when I asked her about it last night.
I always assumed that area of Canton was all built at the same time? Maybe I'm wrong, but the notion that it was simply a case of the wrong signs being put up sounds plausible to me.
As for Abergorki - although the spelling is slightly different, it seems Abergorky is still a district of Treorchy with this building a testimony to that
https://cinematreasures.org/theaters/28029
When we've got a train service up here, Abergorki industrial estate (that term makes it sound grander than it is!) can be seen from the train between Ynyswen and Treherbert stations - Treherbert being the last stop on the line.
There was also an Abergorki colliery;
https://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/Gla...kiTreorchi.htm
Wonder if the Insole pub in Canton was named after the family mentioned in the article about the colliery?
http://webapps.rctcbc.gov.uk/heritag.../treorchy.html
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