Michael Heseltine

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Re: Michael Heseltine

I'd hardly call Benn and Corbyn dinosaurs: visionaries more like.

Double vision

[jon1959]

Re: Michael Heseltine

Heseltine was a fascinating politician - although one I despised for most of the 1980s when he was focussed on stunts to get him front page splashed on the Mail and Sun.

Post Liverpool he became someone worth listening to even if, from my point of view, there was rarely agreement.

As a conscience of the post war broad church school of EuroToryism he has found his voice and barb. Intelligent and entertaining.

But the one thing that defines him more than anything else for me is that he took Alka Seltzer when he had his heart attack. That almost made me like him!

[Dorcus]

Re: Michael Heseltine

All absolute posh boys who wanted to override what people voted for. Bizarre that you find them the sensible ones

Not bizarre, enlightened.

[Dorcus]

Re: Michael Heseltine

Double vision

Eagle eyed

[Dorcus]

Re: Michael Heseltine

I'm sure he had a vision. I doubt it would have worked, and that's the issue

Totally 100% disagree but I'm sure you expected that.

[Dorcus]

Re: Michael Heseltine

He talked about a political and economic style that the people of Britain will never vote for .......they may be stupid for not considering it ......but that's the way it is

Benn , Corbyn , Skinner were great speakers but that's all

The best we can hope for is a left of centrist or middle road government

In 2023 that's going to be a centrist or centrist liberal one

I would vote for a left wing party if it had a chance of government but its never going to happen

Benn , Nellist , Corbyn , Skinner ......no more than a good speech at a conference

That's defeatist Sludge. I agree with you in the short term but only in the sense of using a sprat to catch a mackerel.

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Michael Heseltine

I'm sure he had a vision. I doubt it would have worked, and that's the issue

Has Cameron's, May's, Johnson's, Truss's and Sunak's vision worked out?

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Michael Heseltine

He talked about a political and economic style that the people of Britain will never vote for .......they may be stupid for not considering it ......but that's the way it is

Benn , Corbyn , Skinner were great speakers but that's all

The best we can hope for is a left of centrist or middle road government

In 2023 that's going to be a centrist or centrist liberal one

I would vote for a left wing party if it had a chance of government but its never going to happen

Benn , Nellist , Corbyn , Skinner ......no more than a good speech at a conference

You were ranting on here last week about the need to renationalise all utilities. Both cornerstone policies in any manifesto put forward by Benn or Corbyn.

You also decry anything by Benn and Corbyn dismissing it as leftist nonsense whilst championing a more centrist left leaning attitude such as Starmer.

As as far as I know Starmer has only suggested renationalising the rail network.

Make up your mind as you sometimes come across as someone who flips on their principles?

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Re: Michael Heseltine

You were ranting on here last week about the need to renationalise all utilities. Both cornerstone policies in any manifesto put forward by Benn or Corbyn.

You also decry anything by Benn and Corbyn dismissing it as leftist nonsense whilst championing a more centrist left leaning attitude such as Starmer.

As as far as I know Starmer has only suggested renationalising the rail network.

Make up your mind as you sometimes come across as someone who flips on their principles?

Far from it

I think state stewardship or at least careful monitoring of utilities , health , transport and social care is the right way

That's a tad different from the play into the hands of the Tories style of the far left

That's gone

And hopefully starmer will be gone soon too , he is more flippy than flippy the flippy dolphin

[Maurice Swan]

Re: Michael Heseltine

Duplicitous man - an I AM a fan of Thatcher...

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Re: Michael Heseltine

Duplicitous man - an I AM a fan of Thatcher...

She treated the Welsh valleys with such respect

I bet you stuck out like a sore thumb 👍

Is that why you ran away to France ?

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Michael Heseltine

Duplicitous man - an I AM a fan of Thatcher...

I don't be the one to break it to you but she's dead butt.

Dead as fuuck.

[Dorcus]

Re: Michael Heseltine

I don't be the one to break it to you but she's dead butt.

Dead as fuuck.

Let's hope we never see her ilk again.

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Re: Michael Heseltine

Let's hope we never see her ilk again.

Pritti Patel and Herr Brauvermann Gestapo are huge Thatcher disciples

Sunak is positively angelic compared to those two

[pipster]

Re: Michael Heseltine

Sludge - Who closed more coal mines Wilson or Thatcher ?