40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[Rjk]

https://x.com/IsraelMFA/status/1714546593146249559?s=20

audio released by Israel that they claim is evidence it was rockets from Hamas that exploded the hospital not an air strike from Israel.

something doesn't sit right about it to me, just doesn't seem like a very natural conversation, but who knows.

[Dorcus]

Who knows what happened. The obvious answer is it was an Israeli attack but every chance it wasn't. But reading the quote from Hamas referring to Israel committing a war crime was quite something.

If it was an Israeli attack it was a war crime, plain and simple. It makes no difference that Hamas has called it out. The problem is that Israel will get away with it if they did indeed cause it because the US stands shoulder to shoulder with them no matter what.

[Eric Cartman]

Who knows what happened. The obvious answer is it was an Israeli attack but every chance it wasn't. But reading the quote from Hamas referring to Israel committing a war crime was quite something.

This is the crux of it. Both sides claim they haven't done anything wrong ever and they were always 'responding'.

[JamesWales]

If it was an Israeli attack it was a war crime, plain and simple. It makes no difference that Hamas has called it out. The problem is that Israel will get away with it if they did indeed cause it because the US stands shoulder to shoulder with them no matter what.

Indeed. But the point is we shouldnt take a group that slaughtered children last week at face value.

And nor should we Israel. But we sure as hell shouldn't do it with Hamas or Islamic State or any of them.

[Rjk]

israel also saying that the missile only lit a small fire in the car park and nothing hit the hospital itself

[life on mars]

I would rather trust the Israeli/western version as there is nothing to gain bombing a hospital and they have the skills not too and Hamas know that, its reported the shrapnel is not Israeli made and there is intercepted call between Hamas operatives admitting the mistake .

Its worth noting Hamas has hundreds of underground tunnels under the 25 miles of Gaza including hospitals ,schools ,they fire rockets form populated areas such a caring bunch .

Anyone know how much it would cost to build those vast structures since 2005 ( who funds that whilst Palestinians starve ) and the tens of thousands of rockets ( who funds that whilst Palestinians starve )


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palest...acks_on_Israel

Everyone can be clever politically about this one sadly its trade3ic on both sides imagine the mental trama on children in Gaza and Israel over these years .

In 2005, Israel's withdrew from the entire Gaza Strip back to 1967 border lines .

Money/aid then poured into Palestine from around the world , only to see proxy terrorists to be set up and sponsored by neighbouring middle states .

It is easy to google Iranian and Hamas , Hezbollah leaders views on if there should eb a two state solution to find they just want the Israeli's completely destroyed and pushed into the sea ( river to the sea is sung in the streets of London ) no discussion allowed by Hamas ....

If Israel dropped their weapons to the floor they would be massacred .

Best to not to pick a side based on your dislike of Conservative Israeli support v the obsession the left has with Jews and Israeli and love of Palestine they both kill .

Sadly the innocent of Palestine are being killed on may fronts Israeli , Hamas , Hezbollah ,Iran or anyone who funds them ,anyone could work out that Hamas / buddies/Isis planned their attack, not for a peaceful mean , or force Israel around the table it was designed to see the response knowing innocent /decent Palestinians would be killed ..

No conflict no Hamas /Hezbollah /Isis is the the key to all this

Palestine's hatred and effort is best served ridding themselves of sponsored Hamas /Hezbollah /Isis, you would then find powerful western countries/ Saudi /Egypt controlling /advising Israel in a better way

[pipster]

israel also saying that the missile only lit a small fire in the car park and nothing hit the hospital itself

Any Israeli missile would have guidance systems on it, where as the rocket from the cemetery would be a fire and forget type. So it seems unlikely to me anyway - that it would have been from the Israeli side.

Neither side will admit it was their fault - ever - no matter how much proof there is.

Gaza city is being flattened as prescribed, and Israel has a strangle hold on them - which they cant get out of - other than to increase the reach of the war and get Iran / Hezbollah involved etc. Hamas appear to not have thought this through very well. Hopefully sleepy Joe can get a cease fire, Gaza has been taken back to the stone age - and they can spend the next 20 years re building it - while Israel built a steel wall with remote controlled guns so they dont fly over the top again

[life on mars]

Sometimes I think Israel's leadership is devoid of intelligence. They bask in the support given to them for a horrific attack upon their citizens then they blow it all away with their all consuming bloodlust. Sickening.

Sometimes folk should sit back and find out the facts . your above comment is spot on same goes to Hamas Terrorists

[chrisp_1927]

Hard to see the justification in the continued bombing, what else can be left to bomb? I support the right to make a ground invasion if needed , but can this continued bombing really be targeting militants only?


As for that hospital strike. I reckon what's not being said probably speaks louder. If that was an Israeli strike we'd have had Palestinian journalists all over TV this morning with the proof , yet they appear to have nothing. In fact the Palestinian side seems to have gone very quiet on the matter

Didn't quite see the point in the audio released by Israel. My first thought on hearing it was it could as easily have been knocked up next door as be real. I'm wondering if it's more for the ears of the Iranians and hizbollah etc who are meant to recognise who these 2 people actually are.

[life on mars]

Any Israeli missile would have guidance systems on it, where as the rocket from the cemetery would be a fire and forget type. So it seems unlikely to me anyway - that it would have been from the Israeli side.

Neither side will admit it was their fault - ever - no matter how much proof there is.

Gaza city is being flattened as prescribed, and Israel has a strangle hold on them - which they cant get out of - other than to increase the reach of the war and get Iran / Hezbollah involved etc. Hamas appear to not have thought this through very well. Hopefully sleepy Joe can get a cease fire, Gaza has been taken back to the stone age - and they can spend the next 20 years re building it - while Israel built a steel wall with remote controlled guns so they dont fly over the top again

I'm sure the far left will deicide it for us they are setting up a vigil for all to attend in London for the hospital , sadly wont be the same for the festival goes of Israel .

By the way Corbyn called Hamas friends , Sir Keir was in that cabinet and didn't speak up , he didn't resign unlike other brave Labour MP's including Jewish ones who were hounded relentlessly until they left , lovely , party moved on be fecked , Sir Kier backed JC so many times , if that was Boris there would be some drum banging .

[life on mars]

Hard to see the justification in the continued bombing, what else can be left to bomb? I support the right to make a ground invasion if needed , but can this continued bombing really be targeting militants only?


As for that hospital strike. I reckon what's not being said probably speaks louder. If that was an Israeli strike we'd have had Palestinian journalists all over TV this morning with the proof , yet they appear to have nothing. In fact the Palestinian side seems to have gone very quiet on the matter

Didn't quite see the point in the audio released by Israel. My first thought on hearing it was it could as easily have been knocked up next door as be real. I'm wondering if it's more for the ears of the Iranians and hizbollah etc who are meant to recognise who these 2 people actually are.

I think the Israelis' maybe listening to a lot of folk saying not aground please , the Israeli leadership may be a bit far right but they are controlled by others and do have balanced politicians backers ..

I am waiting on the settlement scheme war for Palestinians in UK ( Scotland has stepped , up well the virtual signalling SNP not the voters over to Welsh dont forget me Drakeford )

[Eric Cartman]

I would rather trust the Israeli/western version as there is nothing to gain bombing a hospital and they have the skills not too and Hamas know that, its reported the shrapnel is not Israeli made and there is intercepted call between Hamas operatives admitting the mistake .

It's probably worth mentioning that the evidence you are quoting has been collected and released by the IDF, so it's probably worth waiting for further confirmation.

Also, I don't think the argument 'what's to gain from bombing a hospital?' applies in this conflict. Both sides have already done a number of baffling things that don't help peace. Hamas knew exactly what their attack last week would lead to. Israel bombed a UN run school just yesterday.

PMQs is quite a tough watch as everybody takes the position that this conflict began when Hamas attacked last weekend. 30+ Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces in the west bank in 2023.

Whatever your take on the hideousness of each attack/crime or proportionality, it needs to be recognised that both sides would claim they are responding to aggression and our job as a country on the outside is to take a balanced pragmatic view which helps the road to peace, not to pick a side and revise history.

[Eric Cartman]

I'm sure the far left will deicide it for us they are setting up a vigil for all to attend in London for the hospital , sadly wont be the same for the festival goes of Israel .

By the way Corbyn called Hamas friends , Sir Keir was in that cabinet and didn't speak up , he didn't resign unlike other brave Labour MP's including Jewish ones who were hounded relentlessly until they left , lovely , party moved on be fecked , Sir Kier backed JC so many times , if that was Boris there would be some drum banging .

Corbyn was called out constantly on this board but I don't remember you ever calling Boris out for anything...

[the other bob wilson]

I just watched something by Andrew Marr on You Tube which quite impressed me. There's plenty I'm not in agreement with Marr on, but I thought he was right to emphasise that there's a need to try to avoid the aggressive falling into one of two camps that social media tends to emphasise. He did this by concentrating on the enormous numbers who would not be entirely pro Hamas or entirely pro Israel.

For myself, I cannot possibly condone what Hamas did nearly a fortnight ago, but, by the same token, Israel's attitude towards the Palestinian people over decades makes it impossible for me not to acknowledge that this has helped create a situation where an organisation like Hama can win elections.

The BBC have had to apologise for saying that the 150,000 to 200,000 who marched in London last weekend were protesting in favour of Hamas when I'm nearly 100 per cent sure that the vast majority of them were there to register their disagreement with the treatment of innocent Gaza citizens.

It's the majority with opinions somewhere in the middle that have to rise above the murderous noise we're hearing from the extremes (unfortunately represented by Hamas and, to a degree, by the Israeli Government) and try to take charge of events, but too many are blithely supporting Israel come what may and indulging Netanyahu and co like they have been is asking for more trouble.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I think the Israelis' maybe listening to a lot of folk saying not aground please , the Israeli leadership may be a bit far right but they are controlled by others and do have balanced politicians backers ..

I am waiting on the settlement scheme war for Palestinians in UK ( Scotland has stepped , up well the virtual signalling SNP not the voters over to Welsh dont forget me Drakeford )

The Israelis have balanced political backers ?

The USA ?

I think you need to go and have a lie down

[Eric Cartman]

I just watched something by Andrew Marr on You Tube which quite impressed me. There's plenty I'm not in agreement with Marr on, but I thought he was right to emphasise that there's a need to try to avoid the aggressive falling into one of two camps that social media tends to emphasise. He did this by concentrating on the enormous numbers who would not be entirely pro Hamas or entirely pro Israel.

For myself, I cannot possibly condone what Hamas did nearly a fortnight ago, but, by the same token, Israel's attitude towards the Palestinian people over decades makes it impossible for me not to acknowledge that this has helped create a situation where an organisation like Hama can win elections.

The BBC have had to apologise for saying that the 150,000 to 200,000 who marched in London last weekend were protesting in favour of Hamas when I'm nearly 100 per cent sure that the vast majority of them were there to register their disagreement with the treatment of innocent Gaza citizens.

It's the majority with opinions somewhere in the middle that have to rise above the murderous noise we're hearing from the extremes (unfortunately represented by Hamas and, to a degree, by the Israeli Government) and try to take charge of events, but too many are blithely supporting Israel come what may and indulging Netanyahu and co like they have been is asking for more trouble.

Agree completely. As people who are largely unaffected by it, we have absolutely no right to be emotional and should try to be completely objective. I guess the issue is people feel forced into a corner and become more and more entrenched by things they see and read.

[life on mars]

The Israelis have balanced political backers ?

The USA ?

I think you need to go and have a lie down

Like the Israeli festival goers ?

[life on mars]

Corbyn was called out constantly on this board but I don't remember you ever calling Boris out for anything...

Would have if he had let down a party in the way Corbyn and others had put them back decades and is clearly a supporter of a terrorists and to this day displays those views ..

And so we move onto this vote reaching crap it is not a war crime to defend your self :

"" Labour councillors have quit the party in protest over Sir Keir Starmer’s stance on Israel’s planned invasion of Gaza – including the first Arab Muslim woman on Manchester City Council.

Amna Abdullatif said she had been left “no choice” other than to resign from Labour as she accused the Labour leader of “effectively endorsing a war crime”.

Boris made errors , had some cake , had some new wallpaper , go some Covid decisions wrong , got into the forefront of the vaccine right, and many will be thankful for that , he came no where near Corbyn .. who delivered the Tories 80 seats

[JamesWales]

Seems more and more likely this tragic incident was not an Israeli attack now, from what I can read.

Either way, some of the media have some serious questions to answer jumping to the conclusion that Hamas themselves said. It's seriously escalated the situation in the last 24 hours and 'may' be based on a lie from a terrorist organisation.

[Eric Cartman]

Seems more and more likely this tragic incident was not an Israeli attack now, from what I can read.

Either way, some of the media have some serious questions to answer jumping to the conclusion that Hamas themselves said. It's seriously escalated the situation in the last 24 hours and 'may' be based on a lie from a terrorist organisation.

The difficulty is that the consumer wants breaking news and news organisations are rewarded with views and clicks for being first.

[Rjk]

Seems more and more likely this tragic incident was not an Israeli attack now, from what I can read.

Either way, some of the media have some serious questions to answer jumping to the conclusion that Hamas themselves said. It's seriously escalated the situation in the last 24 hours and 'may' be based on a lie from a terrorist organisation.

https://twitter.com/FSBRG/status/171...J36zWyM0A&s=19

further discussion on the hospital attack

[JamesWales]

The difficulty is that the consumer wants breaking news and news organisations are rewarded with views and clicks for being first.

Unfortunately so.

[Heathblue]

Unfortunately so.

It's all good now, the war mongering resident has declared it wasn't done by ISRAEL, he has the evidence!!!

and for good measure he putting another shed load of wedge in GAZZA and of course, it'll not land in the pockets
of the ones who fire rockets, funding both sides of the conflict he cannot lose!!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Like the Israeli festival goers ?

What are you on about now?

[Heathblue]

A controversial geezer but i think he has this 100% spot on.