"From the river to the sea" chant

[jon1959]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

So mass chanting, viewed as racist by many, and widely viewed as promoting a single Palestinian state is progressive and helps does it?

And yes, mass chanting like that on the streets of Britain is offensive IMO.

From the river to the sea Palestine will be free.... of apartheid, ethnic cleansing, white Jewish supremacy, imprisonment without trial, murder by armed reactionary settlers, murder by the (misnamed) Israeli Defence Forces, and 75 years of colonial occupation and daily breaches of international law.

But of course 'many' view that anti-racist sentiment as racist and in your opinion it is offensive. Well if people are offended by a chant for freedom and democracy they (and you) deserve to be offended. I would be more impressed if you declared your offence at the mass murder of children, civilians, journalists, medical staff and aid workers.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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She was also talking about some insignificant event that David Lammy went to that no one paid much attention too. All the while people were being killed, but it's Kay Burley you got upset about.

She asked some questions. Mass racist chanting (as perceived by many) is something quite different indeed.

But she's lying and causing friction between communities due to those lies , on national TV

Thousands of people have called for her sacking

She didn't ask any questions ......she made a series of statements that were completely untrue

She did that because she is a stone cold conservative and was trying to discredit the opposition

You can't have news anchors lying at times of conflict and making political calls ?

Don't be utterly ubsurd

People on public demonstrations will occasionally chant stuff

Malcomb Rifkind .....a Scottish tory jew has just said on radio 4 news that public protest is vital and only a few hundred people were involved

If as a jew he's prepared to see things for what they are then that's fair enough as far as I am concerned

[Jordi Culé]

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Exactly the same principle.

Perhaps? Although the Likud Party leader is currently putting his words into practice at the minute.

[JamesWales]

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From the river to the sea Palestine will be free.... of apartheid, ethnic cleansing, white Jewish supremacy, imprisonment without trial, murder by armed reactionary settlers, murder by the (misnamed) Israeli Defence Forces, and 75 years of colonial occupation and daily breaches of international law.

But of course 'many' view that anti-racist sentiment as racist and in your opinion it is offensive. Well if people are offended by a chant for freedom and democracy they (and you) deserve to be offended. I would be more impressed if you declared your offence at the mass murder of children, civilians, journalists, medical staff and aid workers.

The Anti-Defamation league consider it antisemitic.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/allegation-river-sea-palestine-will-be-free

It's not necessary is it? Isnt this about peace? Why the rise in hate crimes, the calls of jihad, the songs that are considered antisemitic?

None of it is helpful to the legitimate causes of peace or a long two-state solution is it?

[JamesWales]

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But she's lying and causing friction between communities due to those lies , on national TV

Thousands of people have called for her sacking

She didn't ask any questions ......she made a series of statements that were completely untrue

She did that because she is a stone cold conservative and was trying to discredit the opposition

You can't have news anchors lying at times of conflict and making political calls ?

Don't be utterly ubsurd

People on public demonstrations will occasionally chant stuff

Malcomb Rifkind .....a Scottish tory jew has just said on radio 4 news that public protest is vital and only a few hundred people were involved

If as a jew he's prepared to see things for what they are then that's fair enough as far as I am concerned

Anti Semitic hate crimes have soared in the UK in the last few weeks, and here you are being okay with chants widely considered to be antisemitic being chanted by many people at rallies.

You are allowed to criticise it you know.

[JamesWales]

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Perhaps? Although the Likud Party leader is currently putting his words into practice at the minute.

I believe they support a two-state solution now, no?

I certainly no, which is why I think it's a very poor chant to be hearing which is deeply unhelpful and doesn't help anyone's cause whatsoever.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The Anti-Defamation league consider it antisemitic.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/allegation-river-sea-palestine-will-be-free

It's not necessary is it? Isnt this about peace? Why the rise in hate crimes, the calls of jihad, the songs that are considered antisemitic?

None of it is helpful to the legitimate causes of peace or a long two-state solution is it?

This is a conflict

Songs don't kill people wether you dislike them or not

The reason the police didn't get involved is because they were advised they would be on sticky ground

The worst threat to peace and to civil disorder and tit for tat attacks on Jews and Arabs is terrorism and trying to get revenge for these actions by bombing people like sitting ducks in gaza

Write to your mp or Mr sunak

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Anti Semitic hate crimes have soared in the UK in the last few weeks, and here you are being okay with chants widely considered to be antisemitic being chanted by many people at rallies.

You are allowed to criticise it you know.

Rifkind a prominent Conservative jew explains his views that a minority of people chanting should be put in perspective.....

Or you ?

I will keep my counsel

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I believe they support a two-state solution now, no?

I certainly no, which is why I think it's a very poor chant to be hearing which is deeply unhelpful and doesn't help anyone's cause whatsoever.

So how often have YOU heard this chant ?

Who was singing it ?

And where ?

[JamesWales]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

This is a conflict

Songs don't kill people wether you dislike them or not

The reason the police didn't get involved is because they were advised they would be on sticky ground

The worst threat to peace and to civil disorder and tit for tat attacks on Jews and Arabs is terrorism and trying to get revenge for these actions by bombing people like sitting ducks in gaza

Write to your mp or Mr sunak

Songs don't kill people, you are right. So songs widely considered as racist, or certainly suggesting a nation shouldn't exist are therefore okay?

The problem is that words do cause problems. And that's why word matter and there are consequences of things like this. Again, it's stuff like this that undermines the marches, that will be used by Israel to justify violence and more than anything is absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with trying to find peace.

"Stop the war", "Peace", "Pray for Palestine", "Free Palestine" all do that. "from the river to the sea.." does not do that. It inflames things. And you know it too.

[JamesWales]

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So how often have YOU heard this chant ?

Who was singing it ?

And where ?

There's ample references to it online from the march in London on Saturday, and the same march the week before

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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There's ample references to it online from the march in London on Saturday, and the same march the week before

But you didn't witness it ?



You are getting frothy mouthed



100000 on the march , a small minority singing this song that you think was offensive but others don't

I think you are pissing scarlet ribbons

[JamesWales]

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But you didn't witness it ?



You are getting frothy mouthed



100000 on the march , a small minority singing this song that you think was offensive but others don't

I think you are pissing scarlet ribbons

I wasn't at Gillingham on Saturday either but I still saw a video of that idiot doing monkey impressions (which I guess you are cool with as impressions don't hurt anyone, right?)

Type it into twitter. Theres numerous videos of the chant being sung by many - not all of course, far from all, but that doesn't make it okay and mean you can sweep it under the carpet.

[Jordi Culé]

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I believe they support a two-state solution now, no?

I certainly no, which is why I think it's a very poor chant to be hearing which is deeply unhelpful and doesn't help anyone's cause whatsoever.

You believe Netanyahu supports a real two state solution? Allowing a Palestinian state with full sovereignty? Netanyahu has had to cosy up to Otzma Yehudit who are a far right wing party should refuse to accept any discussion about two state solutions.

You accuse others of being naive?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I wasn't at Gillingham on Saturday either but I still saw a video of that idiot doing monkey impressions (which I guess you are cool with as impressions don't hurt anyone, right?)

Type it into twitter. Theres numerous videos of the chant being sung by many - not all of course, far from all, but that doesn't make it okay and mean you can sweep it under the carpet.

What racist impressions of Jewish people did you see or hear about on these marches ?

Can you forward me someone doing racist impressions of Jewish people along the same lines as those done by the Gillingham idiot on Saturday?

When you have done that I will give you my opinion as to its offensiveness

You are complaining that these chants used by a small minority of pro Palestinian protestors ......and quite a few hi jackers and hangers on .....are not doing the peace process any good

I certainly don't think this faux outrage by you on here is contributing to be honest

The main cause of this shitshow is the hamas attack and the bombing going on which will cause far more long term damage and repercussions to both communities

You are sinking like a heavy stone here and I am going to bed