Championship attendances this weekend

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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nah, Newcastle includes Gateshead and most of Tyneside. its a much bigger place than Cardiff. Ditto Sunderland with county Durham.

Political boundaries mean nothing in respect of urban sprawl.

Cardiff are the closest football club to about 1 million people. Newcastle and Sunderland are big clubs with massive catchment areas but it doesn’t get much bigger than ours.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Cardiff are the closest football club to about 1 million people. Newcastle and Sunderland are big clubs with massive catchment areas but it doesn’t get much bigger than ours.

The Cardiff urban area is about half a million

Newcastles urban area about 850 , its substantially bigger

The capital city region is as you say about 1 million but includes Newport which is about 300 k and all the valleys towns

They might be potential Cardiff fans but as always with us it's getting them to support us that's the problem

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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nah, Newcastle includes Gateshead and most of Tyneside. its a much bigger place than Cardiff. Ditto Sunderland with county Durham.

Political boundaries mean nothing in respect of urban sprawl.

This isn't entirely accurate but close

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

If you go to " Newcastle " or "Nottingham" it's obvious they are bigger places than Cardiff despite the fact that their urban centres are smaller

Leeds is one team that has never really punched above its weight as its only got 1 club in a very big city

[dml1954]

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Both Ipswich and Norwich. Perhaps there's not much else to do there, but I've always thought that the clubs are a huge part of their communities. Both sides have also had more success than us over the last few decades.

That doesn't apply to Ipswich. They haven't been in the Premier League since 2002. spent the last four seasons before this in League One. Average Championship league position 2002-2019 (17 seasons) was 11.3. Cardiff City in the same period never went into League One, got to the Premier League twice and spent 18 seasons in Championship with an average league position of 9.6. Clearly a better record for City in the last two decades.

[goats]

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The Cardiff urban area is about half a million

Newcastles urban area about 850 , its substantially bigger

The capital city region is as you say about 1 million but includes Newport which is about 300 k and all the valleys towns

They might be potential Cardiff fans but as always with us it's getting them to support us that's the problem

That’s not right, cardiff alone will be 450,000 soon with all the new developments north and west, you add penarth, Barry, caerphilly which are all very close or touching distance and it’s 6/700,000

[goats]

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That doesn't apply to Ipswich. They haven't been in the Premier League since 2002. spent the last four seasons before this in League One. Average Championship league position 2002-2019 (17 seasons) was 11.3. Cardiff City in the same period never went into League One, got to the Premier League twice and spent 18 seasons in Championship with an average league position of 9.6. Clearly a better record for City in the last two decades.

Go back 30 years before that too

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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That’s not right, cardiff alone will be 450,000 soon with all the new developments north and west, you add penarth, Barry, caerphilly which are all very close or touching distance and it’s 6/700,000

The population of the city of Cardiff is about 360k

If you add in nearby built areas like Penarth and Barry it gets to about 450 k

Newcastle and Nottingham as cities are both smaller than Cardiff but add in the urban areas that are joined to them they are much bigger

I don't know where you have been getting your data but it's incorrect

Newcastle , Nottingham both far bigger urban populations than Cardiff

[City123]

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That doesn't apply to Ipswich. They haven't been in the Premier League since 2002. spent the last four seasons before this in League One. Average Championship league position 2002-2019 (17 seasons) was 11.3. Cardiff City in the same period never went into League One, got to the Premier League twice and spent 18 seasons in Championship with an average league position of 9.6. Clearly a better record for City in the last two decades.

Ipswich spent a lot more time in the top flight historically and have European honours, they're also riding the crest of a wave at the moment, their attendances weren't this good last time they were in the Championship

You generally build a larger fanbase through sustained seasons in the top flight, something we haven't managed in the past 60 years. I think our attendances are pretty good considering how long we spent outside the top flight bouncing between the bottom 2 divisions.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Ipswich spent a lot more time in the top flight historically and have European honours, they're also riding the crest of a wave at the moment, their attendances weren't this good last time they were in the Championship

You generally build a larger fanbase through sustained seasons in the top flight, something we haven't managed in the past 60 years. I think our attendances are pretty good considering how long we spent outside the top flight bouncing between the bottom 2 divisions.

I think are attendances are OK but no more than that

I sincerely hope that future crowds at the CCS improve

Everyone's a winner in that regard

[splott parker]

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The population of the city of Cardiff is about 360k

If you add in nearby built areas like Penarth and Barry it gets to about 450 k

Newcastle and Nottingham as cities are both smaller than Cardiff but add in the urban areas that are joined to them they are much bigger

I don't know where you have been getting your data but it's incorrect

Newcastle , Nottingham both far bigger urban populations than Cardiff

If you Google ‘Population of Cardiff Metropolitan Area’ it’s 1,097,000, the Newcastle equivalent is 823,000, the Nottingham equivalent is 807,000 but if you include Derby, why would you though?, it’s 1,610,00. But that could be reversed and say it’s the Derby Metropolitan area that’s 1,610,000

[TWGL1]

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The population of the city of Cardiff is about 360k

If you add in nearby built areas like Penarth and Barry it gets to about 450 k

Newcastle and Nottingham as cities are both smaller than Cardiff but add in the urban areas that are joined to them they are much bigger

I don't know where you have been getting your data but it's incorrect

Newcastle , Nottingham both far bigger urban populations than Cardiff

Cardiff’s population will be close to 400,000 in 2024, backing up what goats says, when you add 45,000 students for 9 months a year it’s in the top ten city population’s within the Uk

Off the top of my head only London ,Birmingham,Leeds , Sheffield, Glasgow ,Edinburgh ,Bristol , Manchester And Liverpool are bigger. Only Leeds has one club and also draws support from Wakefield ( as do Huddersfield). Leicester and Coventry are almost as big but they are surrounded by numerous clubs.

The UDZ is 1m 097k

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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The Cardiff urban area is about half a million

Newcastles urban area about 850 , its substantially bigger

The capital city region is as you say about 1 million but includes Newport which is about 300 k and all the valleys towns

They might be potential Cardiff fans but as always with us it's getting them to support us that's the problem

But that isn’t what I said. I am pretty confident we are the football club with the most people as their closest football club in the UK. We will get more fans if we stop being shit. The tide will turn, and losing a generation didn’t help.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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If you Google ‘Population of Cardiff Metropolitan Area’ it’s 1,097,000, the Newcastle equivalent is 823,000, the Nottingham equivalent is 807,000 but if you include Derby, why would you though?, it’s 1,610,00. But that could be reversed and say it’s the Derby Metropolitan area that’s 1,610,000

The metropolitan population of Cardiff at 1 .1 million includes the population of Newport, 12 miles away 200 k .....Bridgend , 130 k .....18 miles away ....and much of the south wales valleys

Since when is Newport and Bridgend and Aberdare and Merthyr part of urban Cardiff ?

There is clearly a built up , continuous urban zone around Newcastle and Nottingham which makes them far bigger centres of population than Cardiff

The Cardiff urban area of around 450 k is clearly smaller than Newcastle at 823 k and Nottingham at 807 k

If you are going to use the metropolitan definition of Cardiff .....which includes 200000 people from Newport in its total ......ask them if they are from Cardiff ......then the large urban areas close to Nottingham have to be included , like Derby and Mansfield ......making Nottingham even bigger again

Metropolitan means the extent or influence of a city , the urban population is different and refers to the immediate built up areas where districts , suburbs and towns merge

Bridgend clearly isn't a part of urban Cardiff .....there are fields and meadows and cows for 18 miles between the settlements ......yet for administrative and cultural and employments it's part of if you wish .....greater Cardiff ?

But Nottingham and Newcastle have a big urban population surrounding them for several miles ....which is why they are seen as bigger cities than Cardiff even though their populations initially seem smaller

If you wander around Newcastle or Nottingham , visit the train stations , see the buildings it's obvious they serve a bigger population than Cardiff

Hope this explains things

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[goats]

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The metropolitan population of Cardiff at 1 .1 million includes the population of Newport, 12 miles away 200 k .....Bridgend , 130 k .....18 miles away ....and much of the south wales valleys

Since when is Newport and Bridgend and Aberdare and Merthyr part of urban Cardiff ?

There is clearly a built up , continuous urban zone around Newcastle and Nottingham which makes them far bigger centres of population than Cardiff

The Cardiff urban area of around 450 k is clearly smaller than Newcastle at 823 k and Nottingham at 807 k

If you are going to use the metropolitan definition of Cardiff .....which includes 200000 people from Newport in its total ......ask them if they are from Cardiff ......then the large urban areas close to Nottingham have to be included , like Derby and Mansfield ......making Nottingham even bigger again

Metropolitan means the extent or influence of a city , the urban population is different and refers to the immediate built up areas where districts , suburbs and towns merge

Bridgend clearly isn't a part of urban Cardiff .....there are fields and meadows and cows for 18 miles between the settlements ......yet for administrative and cultural and employments it's part of if you wish .....greater Cardiff ?

But Nottingham and Newcastle have a big urban population surrounding them for several miles ....which is why they are seen as bigger cities than Cardiff even though their populations initially seem smaller

If you wander around Newcastle or Nottingham , visit the train stations , see the buildings it's obvious they serve a bigger population than Cardiff

Hope this explains things

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We don’t need Newport, and some of those urban areas around Newcastle are just as far away as ponty from cardiff? It’s like saying Nottingham includes Derby…. Do we include Bridgend and Merthyr too?

How is Gateshead not just part of Newcastle? It’s like saying one side of the taff is a different city to the other really…..penarth is only spilt by a river is it not?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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We don’t need Newport, and some of those urban areas around Newcastle are just as far away as ponty from cardiff? It’s like saying Nottingham includes Derby…. Do we include Bridgend and Merthyr too?

How is Gateshead not just part of Newcastle? It’s like saying one side of the taff is a different city to the other really…..penarth is only spilt by a river is it not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

Please read this

It's about the best explanation of the size of Newcastle, Nottingham and Cardiff urban areas

The figures given by some people on here about a Cardiff urban population of 1.1 million people include Newport which itself has an urban area of 300 k

The urban areas around Newcastle itself than make up an urban population of 823k are joined at the hip to Newcastle......Gateshead, North Shields , North Tyne side

You can't expect people to include Barry and Bridgend as part of greater Cardiff

That's why Newcastle has a bigger urban area than Cardiff . It's not about opinions , it's based on population data .