Wales HS2 funding Petition

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Wales HS2 funding Petition

Welsh Government: Taxpayers 'let down' after Wales failed to spend £150m The money was lost by the government due to "poor account management" according to a Senedd Committee

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-03-27/wales-lost-out-on-150m-because-the-government-didnt-spend-it-in-time

The Welsh Government wasted £144m on M4 relief road - MORE than £80 million of Welsh taxpayer's money was spent on drawing up proposals for the scrapped M4 relief road, while £10.72 million was used to buy land where the road would have been built

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/17720180.144m-spent-m4-relief-road-went/

Senedd: 36 more Welsh Parliament members could cost extra £18m per year

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-66807278

Sennedd deflection tactics, what daft blanket speed reductions?

It won't work we will never forget, and all that voted for it should be voted out, including RT and any other idiot that thought it was a good idea!

[Rjk]

Re: Wales HS2 funding Petition

Drippy would use it to lower toilet heights in Wales or some other daft idea!

If you get a child that's useless with money, you stop giving it to them anymore.

Anyway, Wales finishes at Cardiff anyway why waste more money further west?

so you're happy that Wales isn't being allowed to get money that Scotland and Northern Ireland are getting?

[City123]

Re: Wales HS2 funding Petition

Welsh Government: Taxpayers 'let down' after Wales failed to spend £150m The money was lost by the government due to "poor account management" according to a Senedd Committee

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-03-27/wales-lost-out-on-150m-because-the-government-didnt-spend-it-in-time

The Welsh Government wasted £144m on M4 relief road - MORE than £80 million of Welsh taxpayer's money was spent on drawing up proposals for the scrapped M4 relief road, while £10.72 million was used to buy land where the road would have been built

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/17720180.144m-spent-m4-relief-road-went/

Senedd: 36 more Welsh Parliament members could cost extra £18m per year

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-66807278

Your point is? Governments waste money all the time. The issue at hand is that Wales is owed this money, it's a disgrace that we aren't getting it. Even the Welsh Tories are calling for Wales to get the money it is owed.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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so you're happy that Wales isn't being allowed to get money that Scotland and Northern Ireland are getting?

Not really, but I can understand them not wanting to give it to be wasted on nonsense, like Rainbow trains or crawler trains, that get you there slower but hit fewer people on the tracks or whatever useless idea they would come up with.

[Rjk]

Re: Wales HS2 funding Petition

Not really, but I can understand them not wanting to give it to be wasted on nonsense, like Rainbow trains or crawler trains, that get you there slower but hit fewer people on the tracks or whatever useless idea they would come up with.

grow up

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Wales HS2 funding Petition

Your point is? Governments waste money all the time. The issue at hand is that Wales is owed this money, it's a disgrace that we aren't getting it. Even the Welsh Tories are calling for Wales to get the money it is owed.

Are they owed it?

If they give us any money it should be used to turn 20mph roads to 30mph roads, no one cares about trains to North Wales or Swansea.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Wales HS2 funding Petition

grow up

:hehe:

[Feedback]

Re: Wales HS2 funding Petition

they mentioned North Wales as one of the potential recipients of the money they will "save" by not extending the HS2 to Manchester. there is no guarantee that any of the projects they mentioned they will get anything though - they were all examples of what it could be spent on.

and that isn't what this is about either. the government are still spending a LOT on the HS2 as far as Birmingham, and Wales aren't getting any of it
Scotland and Northern Ireland have been given a share of the money spent to spend on their own infrastructure, but they've designated the project as an England and Wales project, so we don't get any investment, despite not a single metre if track going anywhere near Wales.

people should be up in arms about this.

The Cardiff Bay Barrage was Barnett funded....did any of the funds used for Cardiff Bay Barrage go to anywhere other than Cardiff?

What about the SSC or the Severn Bridge....which were both built to assist Wales, all Barnett funded.

Stop your whining, Wales does very well all things considered.

[Doucas]

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As usual the tories on here win gold in mental gymnastics.

A chance to get £5 billion to improve transport in Wales 'nah it'd be wasted'.

They then whinge wondering why public transport is bad.

[Rjk]

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The Cardiff Bay Barrage was Barnett funded....did any of the funds used for Cardiff Bay Barrage go to anywhere other than Cardiff?

What about the SSC or the Severn Bridge....which were both built to assist Wales, all Barnett funded.

Stop your whining, Wales does very well all things considered.

Wales does not to very well all things considered - we get hardly any infrastructure spending compared to parts of England.
the Severn bridge wasn't Barnett funded as it was completed a long time before the Barnett formula was introduced.
the second Severn crossing wasn't either, it was privately funded with the operators then allowed to make a massive profit from the tolls to pay it off.
basically the people of Wales have ended up paying for it. an awful decision which I think should be investigated as it represented such poor value for the taxpayer, I'm sure there was some skulduggery going on there.

Cardiff bay barrage was built more than 20 years ago for about £200 million - that doesn't seem like a good reason for Wales to forgo billions of infrastructure spending today.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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no, we are being conned out of billions of pounds that we are owed that we could spend on rail infrastructure

I don't think so. The Welsh Assembly contributed to their own downfall on this matter :

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/biggest-mistake-welsh-government-ever-27837964

[Rjk]

Re: Wales HS2 funding Petition

I don't think so. The Welsh Assembly contributed to their own downfall on this matter :

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...-ever-27837964

....which is why there's a petition

[TWGL1]

Re: Wales HS2 funding Petition

....which is why there's a petition

So why not point the blame at them then , take your blinkers off

[TWGL1]

Re: Wales HS2 funding Petition

Wales isn't getting this money because, unlike Scotland, rail infrastructure spending isn't devolved to Cardiff Bay meaning there is no obligation on ministers in London to provide exactly equivalent funding to Wales as they are providing to projects in England. What is little known is that the reason rail infrastructure spending is not devolved is in large part because of a decision of the then Welsh Assembly Government nearly 20 years ago - a decision one academic calls the "biggest mistake the Welsh Government ever made".

[Rjk]

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Wales isn't getting this money because, unlike Scotland, rail infrastructure spending isn't devolved to Cardiff Bay meaning there is no obligation on ministers in London to provide exactly equivalent funding to Wales as they are providing to projects in England. What is little known is that the reason rail infrastructure spending is not devolved is in large part because of a decision of the then Welsh Assembly Government nearly 20 years ago - a decision one academic calls the "biggest mistake the Welsh Government ever made".

they are not OBLIGED to give Wales it's fair share of the money, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't decide to, hence the petition.