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The ft has a paywall; the Guardian doesn't (although they keep asking for voluntary donations).Originally Posted by pipster
Who funds the Guardian jon? It can't be run on donations?
It's owned by the Scott Trust - which also owns other print and digital media (including the Observer). It was loss making in the decade up to 2019 and reliant on group cross subsidies - but they claim that the individual donations/subscription they have been pushing have been successful and since 2019 the Guardian breaks even. As far as I understand it there is no rich individual or corporation behind the paper. It has moved to the right (firmly Blairite) in the last decade (a clear break from the stance when Alan Rusbridger was editor) but that doesn't appear to be at the direction of some shadowy funder in the background.
You've got to laugh. Vote Labour to get rid of the Tories... And you get the Tories 😂
Ah ok, Cheers
I think Jon was teasing a little
https://geopolitics.co/2021/11/21/ho...-billionaires/
Sounds like 1997
Thanks, maybe jon should read that. It was my instinct that billionaires bank roll it but i took Jon's view on face value. Perhaps he didn't know in fairness.
I couldn't care less if the labour party have to form a coalition with the liberals , independents and greens and whoever else
Get the Tories out
Well you have already jumped ship so move along
**** Starmer.
Im surprised Starmer gets the hate he does
He keeps getting called Tory Lite, which is probably what this country needs
Why does this country need Tory anything? I keep on hearing socialism’s failed and maybe it has, but it’s capitalism and deregulation that is responsible for what’s gone wrong since 2008.
Why didn't Labour re regulate after 1997? Didn't G ordon Brown egg everybody in the City on, by repeatedly claiming to have ended "boom and bust"
I'm with you here. I don't think socialism has failed. It's just been portrayed as a really dirty word. If socialism was such a bad thing, people forget that Corbyn's socialist leaning party clawed back a huge deficit in the polls and forced a hung parliament, which cost us 1b for Theresa May to bribe the DUP.
We've got one of the biggest economies in the world. The UK economy has grown, albeit stagnantly, since 2010 and is creating more billionnaires than ever before. Yet we keep being told there's no money available. We had austerity from 2010 and now there's a cost of living crisis. Those in low wage employment keep earning less and less when inflation is taken into consideration. Our doctors, nurses, teachers, police, firemen etc, were once among the most respected people in society, but they've had wage cuts in real terms for many years. We keep being told there's no money for public services. Councils are at breaking point; some have already been broken. People don't realise how dire things are for local authorities, instead many believe they just waste money all the time and don't provide any services.
In RCT there's discussions about parents having to pay for school transport. The council needs to save 85m. From where? The fat has already been cut off. It'll be services for the vunerable that are next hit. The NHS is in such a state across the UK that going private is the only option for many. If private healthcare becomes the norm, who will be most affected? The worst off.
If you believe the political right, the reason for all of these problems are the work shy and immigrants. How have we got to this position? Years ago, if you were down on your luck, others would help. Go back a bit in history and people wouldn't lock their homes. If your neighbour was stuck for something and you were out, they'd help themselves and repay asap. We had communities. We welcomed outsiders. Miners would pay a small percentage out of their wages to funds to help those who needed it. It built fantastic workmen's halls, libraries and other buildings. People appreciated that if you want things for the use of the general public, they needed to be paid for. Now we seem to have people who want to pay less tax but have better public services. It's one or the other.
I have a hunch. One of the reasons the M4 relief road wasn't built was due to the damage of a major nature reserve. I bet virtually everyone who would have happily demolished the Newport wetlands would be far less happy to do so if it was to build hotels to house immigrants.
And this is our society in 2023. Fuelled more by greed and personal interest than anything else. Wales in 1923 would have shuddered at the thought.
**** Starmer.
is it on your craigslist?
there are sources of truth and reliable reporting i must say
Conservative austerity is required to cut the fat/waste from socialist over spending, which inevitably happens in the end under Labour. It's cyclical. Look at the 1970s then 00s
I do agree about communities being decimated with what i've seen described as "runaway individualism" and i see it as bad. the blame for that can be levelled at Thatcher's neo liberal economic reforms in the 1980s. How can this can be reversed?
I don't agree with your claim that people welcmed outsiders more in the past. People have never welcomed outsiders, that's just not true. We are wired to protect and favour our own genetic interests (the in group). You can't have social cohesion and be welcoming to outsiders. Diversity undermines social cohesion and studies prove this.
The left get in a mess over this.
We need Reform in and the Consocialists out. The Tories have eventually run out of other peoples money.
I'm starting to think we need voting reform in the shape of PR. This may give a voice to reform etc
Conservatives have been really weak on immigration despite persistent pledges to deal with it. Ultimately this is going to cost them.
No it's not. They'll pledge to be tough on it again and the public will believe them.
They're trying that trick now with Cleverly's announcements on immigration reform yesterday, but i personally believe trust has been lost. The damage is done, they've failed to reduce immigration too many times
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