Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

Students who don't even take the course, bringing in their families, either immediately or at later dates, and care workers doing the same, they don't add value as they pay no or little tax but take out ten times more in services.

Farming and fruit picking look like the next big loophole the country has got too used to cheap foreign labour and too many politician's mates friends and families are making a fortune, so are in no rush to stop the loopholes.

For a long time British people have wanted cheap fruit and veg and chicken and frozen stuff

As cheap as possible

To do this the food industry had had to employ cheap labour to do these jobs as the brits don't want to do it

Same as care and cleaning , driving buses , etc

Very important jobs but we needed overseas labour to do it

The economy goes down the pipes ? .......let's blame the immigrants !

I am afraid your average brit is thick as mince when it comes to the cause of all this

[Doucas]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

Students who don't even take the course, bringing in their families, either immediately or at later dates, and care workers doing the same, they don't add value as they pay no or little tax but take out ten times more in services.

Farming and fruit picking look like the next big loophole the country has got too used to cheap foreign labour and too many politician's mates friends and families are making a fortune, so are in no rush to stop the loopholes.

Read that again, slowly.

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

Its policies are shown in Wales, slower speeds, free prescriptions, long lockdowns work from home, close City Centres and roads, longer NHS waiting lists, more empty shops, reduced services waste money on dopey gimmicks, then ask for more money, so they would probably borrow more.

One term and they will be gone, bookmark this, we will really know what misery is like.

For what it’s worth...

I don’t think Starmer’s Labour Government will look like anything Drakeford has done in Wales? There’s other examples of Labour (?) influenced devolved areas that piiss all over Drakeford’s version which promote the economy and which is better implemented and producing results.

Andy Burnham in Manchester.

[goats]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

UK paid Rwanda an extra Ł100m for asylum deal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67656220

Ł240 million so far….just insane amount with not one person deported. With net migration over 600,000 ( can’t imagine how bad it is where all these people are coming from to want to live in this depressing wet rip off shithole called the uk but hey ho) this year something has to be done? Do they not just police the channel better? Use the army etc? How much would a few more surveillance boats cost to stop the flow?

[pipster]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

Immigration is a big thing for lots of people in the UK. I'm not going to say whether that's right or wrong.

However, in 13 years of Tory government they've done nothing to address this. Brexit was fought largely over immigration, yet leaving the EU did nothing (as predicted) to address this.

Is immigration something that the political right have no desire to do anything about but want to use to gain votes?

It was first a 'thing' when a Mr T Blair said "go find them from anywhere and let them in", it started then and has got worse ever since.

If you agree that illegal immigration is a problem - what would you do to solve the problem ?
As yet neither Labour or Conservative have been able to fix it (We arent the only country to not solve the problem either)

[pipster]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

For a long time British people have wanted cheap fruit and veg and chicken and frozen stuff

As cheap as possible

To do this the food industry had had to employ cheap labour to do these jobs as the brits don't want to do it

Same as care and cleaning , driving buses , etc

Very important jobs but we needed overseas labour to do it

The economy goes down the pipes ? .......let's blame the immigrants !

I am afraid your average brit is thick as mince when it comes to the cause of all this

As Dorcas said - read that again very very slowly - you are describing yourself

[caerkid]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

UK paid Rwanda an extra Ł100m for asylum deal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67656220

Ł240 million so far….just insane amount with not one person deported.

A quarter of a billion pound spent , more planned to be spent, and no result for either the policy itself ,or the wider impact it is supposed to have.

The word scandal has lost a lot of meaning in politics but I think even the shameless shower we have in government now must be a bit worried about this one. If it wasn't such a collossal waste of public money it would be funny to see how long they keep trying to dig up.

[ninian opinian]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

UK paid Rwanda an extra Ł100m for asylum deal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67656220

Ł240 million so far….just insane amount with not one person deported. With net migration over 600,000 ( can’t imagine how bad it is where all these people are coming from to want to live in this depressing wet rip off shithole called the uk but hey ho) this year something has to be done? Do they not just police the channel better? Use the army etc? How much would a few more surveillance boats cost to stop the flow?

Apparently Cruella spent money behind Sunaks back. And now she may have broken the ministerial code again. Blimey I didn’t see that coming.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/suella-braverman-rwanda-ministerial-code-breach-b2345537.html

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

UK paid Rwanda an extra Ł100m for asylum deal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67656220

Ł240 million so far….just insane amount with not one person deported. With net migration over 600,000 ( can’t imagine how bad it is where all these people are coming from to want to live in this depressing wet rip off shithole called the uk but hey ho) this year something has to be done? Do they not just police the channel better? Use the army etc? How much would a few more surveillance boats cost to stop the flow?

And you've made the mistake of assuming most of those 600,000 are coming in on boats.

Some immigration stats might be of help here. In 2022 the vast majority of immigration into the UK came from non-EU countries. Immigration to the UK from the EU has nosedived since Brexit (surprise, surprise). Of non-EU immigration:

39% came to the UK to study
25% came to the UK to work with visas
19% came to the UK for humanitarian reasons (this was up significantly from previous years due to the war in Ukraine)
8% were asylum seekers (76,000)

Around 40,000 arrived in boats and 90% of them were granted asylum status.

[goats]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

And you've made the mistake of assuming most of those 600,000 are coming in on boats.

Some immigration stats might be of help here. In 2022 the vast majority of immigration into the UK came from non-EU countries. Immigration to the UK from the EU has nosedived since Brexit (surprise, surprise). Of non-EU immigration:

39% came to the UK to study
25% came to the UK to work with visas
19% came to the UK for humanitarian reasons (this was up significantly from previous years due to the war in Ukraine)
8% were asylum seekers (76,000)

Around 40,000 arrived in boats and 90% of them were granted asylum status.

No, no way that many can arrive in boats…surely foreign students are just temporary why count them? They can support themselves.
So, where do we put the 40 k arriving in boats? When we already have 1000’s waiting for housing here who’ve lived here their whole lives?

[pipster]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

But surely the Conservatives cannot claim to be the party to sort out immigration when they've failed to do so in 13 years and, hopefully, people will see through this.

Who do you blame for the 13 years previous to that ? when Tony and Gordon were in power

[pipster]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

Some people say that immigration is just used for cheap labour in these areas but if the UK workforce is not interested , not trained or simply not capable of filling these jobs then we have no choice

Sir Marcus Rose said that, when arguing to stay in the EU, then quickly realised he was arguing for cheap labour that would keep his wage bill down and hence the wages of the every day working man and woman.

So Sludge - are you for cheap labour or against it ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

Sir Marcus Rose said that, when arguing to stay in the EU, then quickly realised he was arguing for cheap labour that would keep his wage bill down and hence the wages of the every day working man and woman.

So Sludge - are you for cheap labour or against it ?

The Tories have been in charge for 13 years

The country have voted the utter tosspots in

It's their fault , not mine , you should ask them about cheap labour

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

Who do you blame for the 13 years previous to that ? when Tony and Gordon were in power

The people who wanted cheap veg in the supermarket 365 days a year

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Immigration the last thing in the Tories' armour?

Who do you blame for the 13 years previous to that ? when Tony and Gordon were in power

As far as I'm concerned, after 13 years, everything wrong with the UK is entirely down to the Tories, pretty much the same as when Labour were in power for 13 years when they could no longer blame Thatcher.