Unwatchable

[MacAdder]

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The reason why we havnt got money is because we overspend for a club of our size and time and time again it gets us into trouble

Unless we get some kind of huge cash injection we are going to have to live within our means

We have to accept that bulut is going to make mistakes as are his players because if he and his players were Premier league standard that's where he would be managing and they would be playing

It would be lovely to mould a team like Brentford or Luton but that doesn't happen that often

Man United with all their wealth got done again today which was great to see but if they pay huge wages for top managers and top players and screw up the question for me is what on earth do fans of Cardiff City and other clubs expect ?

I saw the game and they must be pretty unwatchable as far as their fans are concerned.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I saw the game and they must be pretty unwatchable as far as their fans are concerned.

Well when you listen to someone from Mansfield on radio 5 moaning about his United ones sympathy goes out the window

[City123]

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What about the idiotic wages spent in the sam and Ridsdale years ?

That was over a decade ago, we've been in the Premier League twice since then and have failed miserably to use the millions of pounds we've received from those 2 promotions effectively

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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That was over a decade ago, we've been in the Premier League twice since then.

Of course but we as a club have a long history of spaffing money away

Financial mismanagement didn't begin under tan and managers like malky and warnock

I think it's in our water pipes

[blue matt]

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Im not sure football at this level has to be " watchable " its a results based thing now, a few points of the play-off's and the chance to be back at the top table

its a shame really, I know people will say but you can get results and play exciting / attractive football, yes you can, but the its the result that will matter for a new manager, otherwise, he is gone

but even as you drop down the leagues its the same story, promotion is the only important thing

[MacAdder]

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Im not sure football at this level has to be " watchable " its a results based thing now, a few points of the play-off's and the chance to be back at the top table

its a shame really, I know people will say but you can get results and play exciting / attractive football, yes you can, but the its the result that will matter for a new manager, otherwise, he is gone

but even as you drop down the leagues its the same story, promotion is the only important thing

:thumbup:

Similar story at the very top too.

For Real Madrid, winning la Liga is not enough, it has to be the champions league.

Even when you win trophies time and time again, it becomes how you win them.

Supporters in general are never happy.

In our case as supporters we aren't happy with what we are seeing but some realism is called for.
We have not got the quality or depth of players to beat the top boys playing the type of football we all want to see so sometimes you have to suck it up.

We've had a decent first half a season so I'm not too despondent.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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:thumbup:

Similar story at the very top too.

For Real Madrid, winning la Liga is not enough, it has to be the champions league.

Even when you win trophies time and time again, it becomes how you win them.

Supporters in general are never happy.

In our case as supporters we aren't happy what we are seeing but some realism is called for.
We have not got the quality or depth of players to beat the top boys playing the type of football we all want to see so sometimes you have to suck it up.

We've had a decent first half a season so I'm not too despondent.

At the very least bulut needs to be given the chance to shape his own team . That means new faces in the transfer January and the rest of this season and next to see where things are

That's two years

Calling for change at the top now is ridiculous

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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:thumbup:

Similar story at the very top too.

For Real Madrid, winning la Liga is not enough, it has to be the champions league.

Even when you win trophies time and time again, it becomes how you win them.

Supporters in general are never happy.

In our case as supporters we aren't happy with what we are seeing but some realism is called for.
We have not got the quality or depth of players to beat the top boys playing the type of football we all want to see so sometimes you have to suck it up.

We've had a decent first half a season so I'm not too despondent.

Yes, I agree with some of that.

However, I feel we've been bereft of much footballing entertainment for years. I'm just interested in watching a City team have a go, not be so defensive. I don't mind the passing in defence, it's better than whacking the ball aimlessly forward. I'd happily sacrifice the rest of the season to playing a more positive game, even if it costs us results. It's when we are very defensive and we still lose against crap sides that I wonder why they play like that.

[MacAdder]

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Yes, I agree with some of that.

However, I feel we've been bereft of much footballing entertainment for years. I'm just interested in watching a City team have a go, not be so defensive. I don't mind the passing in defence, it's better than whacking the ball aimlessly forward. I'd happily sacrifice the rest of the season to playing a more positive game, even if it costs us results. It's when we are very defensive and we still lose against crap sides that I wonder why they play like that.

Even "crap sides" win games.
You have to play to your strengths with the players you've got to win a particular game.
You have to build a style of play also, something which I think Bulut has tried to do but our limitations have been laid to bare.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Even "crap sides" win games.
You have to play to your strengths with the players you've got to win a particular game.
You have to build a style of play also, something which I think Bulut has tried to do but our limitations have been laid to bare.

I think Bulut has tried to instill a more patient passing game, but he's destroying our attacking game by making those players do more off the ball, be more defensive. The result is that we're still conceding goals but can't create much in attack. I don't think that's because we're a more passing team, but because we're too deep as a side for defensive reasons.

[MacAdder]

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I think Bulut has tried to instill a more patient passing game, but he's destroying our attacking game by making those players do more off the ball, be more defensive. The result is that we're still conceding goals but can't create much in attack. I don't think that's because we're a more passing team, but because we're too deep as a side for defensive reasons.

This is because we have a very limited set of midfield players some of who have done well in parts and got us some decent points especially at the start of the season but have been found out.
The bi-product is to play deeper.

[the other bob wilson]

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Im not sure football at this level has to be " watchable " its a results based thing now, a few points of the play-off's and the chance to be back at the top table

its a shame really, I know people will say but you can get results and play exciting / attractive football, yes you can, but the its the result that will matter for a new manager, otherwise, he is gone

but even as you drop down the leagues its the same story, promotion is the only important thing

Look at Plymouth, they came here with a young, pretty cheaply put together side that played in an attractive manner, I’d much rather watch a team playing like that every week than what we’ve had to put up with in the last ten years and, I’ll tell you what, I reckon they could well finish above us in the table this season.


As for the result being everything, the Millwall game was as close to unwatchable as I’ve seen in a while.

[the other bob wilson]

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Even "crap sides" win games.
You have to play to your strengths with the players you've got to win a particular game.
You have to build a style of play also, something which I think Bulut has tried to do but our limitations have been laid to bare.

Why is it that a succession of managers have given up on trying to play more of a passing game? Because our sides have been put together in a manner which doesn’t put as high an emphasis on skill and technique as most other clubs and we end up with teams that can only play a passing game hesitantly and poorly.

Someone has mentioned Colwill, I try to avoid mentioning him these days because there’s not much more to be said on him, but his treatment by Bulut is revealing and relevant to the subject of this thread. Colwill is not some potential world beater and there are pretty clear faults to his game, but, from 21/22 onwards he became one of the biggest potential game changers we have. If he wasn’t at a club that has as few game changers as we do, Colwill would not get all of the attention that he does and I reckon that we’re now in a position where, in Ramsey’s absence, he’s the best game changer we’ve got.

Was anyone surprised that Colwill was missing from the starting line up on Tuesday though and that he was moved from pillar to post because of the inadequacies of others when he finally was brought on? Under this manager, the likes of Colwill, Tanner and Etete are dismissed as young players and unreliable while he fills his side full of older players who he trusts who have not got the natural ability of the three players named - maybe “unwatchable” is a bit harsh, but I think Cardiff has nearly always been a club that has favoured pragmatic, hard working, power based football over the more technical stuff.

[llan bluebird]

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DJ was an old-school romantic 442 that played like a 424, we did spend (wages) on decent players but ultimately didn't achieve the goal of the premier league. Football was still under the spell of Mourinho's anti-football and Malky was a disciple, the rot starts there.

Pep then starts exporting Tikki Taka and Klopp's 433 all-out attack heavy metal football pushing out Mourinho's anti-football.

IMO, Warnock is closer to Klopp 433 getting the ball forward quickly with a higher dependence on physicality over pure football skill but we hired Mad Mick, Harris, Morison, then Hudson when we should have got a German manager well-versed in 433 as we had that DNA already there and a fanbase used to speed on the flanks and the ball going forward.

We chose the wrong model to copy, Peps slow, deliberate, highly technical passing as we just didn't have the players, or the fanbase, but importantly hired managers and coaches who were known as scrappers, not technical tacticians.

I know there is a constituent on here who say they'd prefer to lose playing good football, but Championship football is just about winning. Losing beautifully got us 14K at Ninian Park, winning ugly sold out the CCS

It's all a bit fake to me. There are big decisions for the hierarchy, all in on Bulut and get more technical players because this lot can't execute what he wants to do but they will be expensive and may see us in pretty much the same position if it doesn't work out, with a lot of foreign players wanting to go home but under contract

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Look at Plymouth, they came here with a young, pretty cheaply put together side that played in an attractive manner, I’d much rather watch a team playing like that every week than what we’ve had to put up with in the last ten years and, I’ll tell you what, I reckon they could well finish above us in the table this season.


As for the result being everything, the Millwall game was as close to unwatchable as I’ve seen in a while.

And that's the damning consequence. A squad like ours needs practically a new midfield and attack just to be competitive, whereas Plymouth and I'd say many others, just new a teak here or there to improve significantly. They have the basis of a championship quality squad. I struggle to adequately describe ours..