Welsh Labour leader hopeful Jeremy Miles' 20mph review pledge

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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If deaths are significantly down, it'll be difficult to attribute it to anything other than lower top speeds

They won't be significantly down. There were relatively few in 30mph zones (and slower). If there are fewer deaths at roads with higher speed limits, that won't be anything to do with 20mph limits.

[Jimmy the Jock]

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no of course not

Where do you stop then ? I drove down from North Wales last week driving through little villages without a sole in the streets , yet the cars would slow down to 20mph. Agreed no one was killed on this occasion.

[NinianOpinion1927]

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They won't be significantly down. There were relatively few in 30mph zones (and slower). If there are fewer deaths at roads with higher speed limits, that won't be anything to do with 20mph limits.

So, why have Welsh Labour reduced the 30mph speed limit?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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So, why have Welsh Labour reduced the 30mph speed limit?

They claim safety. I reckon it's about trying to make roads more of a problem for drivers to force them into alternatives.

In a way they've got a point. Where I live there are virtually no places to park anywhere. I'm in the valleys near Aberdare. The roads around here cannot cope with the traffic on them, yet there are more and more car journeys and owners every year. Where I live I'm lucky if I can park near the house. There aren't options to provide off road parking. Our streets weren't designed for it. Several houses have more than one car per house. There are work vans.

It'll keep getting worse until someone has a solution.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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They claim safety. I reckon it's about trying to make roads more of a problem for drivers to force them into alternatives.

In a way they've got a point. Where I live there are virtually no places to park anywhere. I'm in the valleys near Aberdare. The roads around here cannot cope with the traffic on them, yet there are more and more car journeys and owners every year. Where I live I'm lucky if I can park near the house. There aren't options to provide off road parking. Our streets weren't designed for it. Several houses have more than one car per house. There are work vans.

It'll keep getting worse until someone has a solution.

They are trying to make driving less attractive, this increase in congestion by lower speeds is one ploy and probably just the start. The next is ULEZ which affects poorer working people more, having to scrap their old vans and pack in work or buy newer vans or work vehicles.

I would imagine they will carry on with higher car taxes for older cars and ULEZ zones and then maybe more tax on fuel until more of the public drop out of car ownership. Everyone over 17 and who has passed the driving test has their own car in my street, I suppose that can't continue forever.

[Rjk]

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They are trying to make driving less attractive, this increase in congestion by lower speeds is one ploy and probably just the start. The next is ULEZ which affects poorer working people more, having to scrap their old vans and pack in work or buy newer vans or work vehicles.

I would imagine they will carry on with higher car taxes for older cars and ULEZ zones and then maybe more tax on fuel until more of the public drop out of car ownership. Everyone over 17 and who has passed the driving test has their own car in my street, I suppose that can't continue forever.

increase in congestion is almost entirely down to more cars on the roads, reducing average speeds by a few mph doesn't have a significant effect on congestion

[BLUETIT]

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increase in congestion is almost entirely down to more cars on the roads, reducing average speeds by a few mph doesn't have a significant effect on congestion

Oh yes it does !

[G rangetown Blue]

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I understood that every 20mph road would be regularly monitored, and the speed limit changed if deemed safe to do so?

Most countries in the World have 30kmh (18mph) speed limits in built up areas, it seems Wales is just following suit.

[Rjk]

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Oh yes it does !

the only congestion I encounter is typically on the A470, which is not 20mph

[North Cardiff Blue]

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the only congestion I encounter is typically on the A470, which is not 20mph

Where do you live?

North Cardiff is slowed to 20mph or less a lot of the time, although they are getting overtaken and gradually speeding up.

[Rjk]

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Where do you live?

North Cardiff is slowed to 20mph or less a lot of the time, although they are getting overtaken and gradually speeding up.

I live in north Cardiff

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I live in north Cardiff

Pantmawr Road, HLF, all Caerphilly Road, Heol Y Deri, and most of Whitchurch is congested and slowed by dawdling traffic missing traffic lights it's much worse.

[light up the darkness]

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No mention of the Coronavirus cover up….yet

[pipster]

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They claim safety. I reckon it's about trying to make roads more of a problem for drivers to force them into alternatives.

In a way they've got a point. Where I live there are virtually no places to park anywhere. I'm in the valleys near Aberdare. The roads around here cannot cope with the traffic on them, yet there are more and more car journeys and owners every year. Where I live I'm lucky if I can park near the house. There aren't options to provide off road parking. Our streets weren't designed for it. Several houses have more than one car per house. There are work vans.

It'll keep getting worse until someone has a solution.

Eric - Caro Wild - labour Councillor at Cardiff city council - was the person behind closing roads , introducing traffic calming (congestion) all over Cardiff. His closure of Castle st on the grounds of air pollution was over turned and the Labour group at the council were forced to re open it (cost 3.8 million). Not to be defeated they then introduced the crazy system we have now - that leads to (ironically) more air pollution.

Mike Welch - Labour activist and ex friend of Caro Wild spilled the beans online - when he said that Caro and the Labour partys plan was to "introduce as much chaos as possible" across Cardiff so that people would give up driving and the policy was that Cardiff become a city of village, where you stay and dont venture anywhere else.

That same policy is backed by Labour at the Senedd and many Labour councils across Wales it seems.

[BlueArmy 86]

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I only go 20mph when the car in front of me does, and thankfully not many are adhering to the pathetic limit.