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    I'm not surprised, these days you can smell dope from the cars in front, they are actually smoking dope while driving :angry:


    Drug driving is becoming more prevalent in younger groups, says one of Britain's top police officers.


    An increasing number of people are getting behind the wheel after using cannabis and cocaine, according to one of Britain's top police officers.

    Chief constable Jo Shiner of the National Police Chiefs Council said there was a "social acceptance" particularly among younger people.

    Some forces made more arrests for drug-driving than drink-driving during December crackdowns, the BBC has found.

    The Home Office said it was clamping down on the behaviour.

    The National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) has released new arrest data following a campaign of roadside testing in December. It suggested that in England and Wales 48.5% of drug tests were positive, while 9.5% of breath tests for alcohol were positive.

    Merseyside Police said it regularly catches more drug drivers than those over the alcohol limit and the problem is "highly prevalent".

    Drug-driving 'alarmingly common', police warn
    The BBC joined Merseyside officers on a roadside testing operation in Liverpool on Tuesday morning.

    Within half an hour, preliminary drug wipe tests had detected cannabis or cocaine in the systems of three drivers. They were also breathalysed but weren't over the limit for alcohol.

    All three were arrested and taken into custody for a blood test, which will determine whether they face further action.

    Roads policing inspector Gavin Dixon said 85-90% of these forensic tests - which currently take at least four weeks to come back - do show a level of drugs above the limit.

    He does not think there is yet the same social stigma around driving after taking drugs, compared with alcohol.

    "I think people don't realise it's stays in your system as long [as it does], they don't think the police are out catching drug drivers. The reality is we are."

    'Whole life destroyed'
    Summer Mace, a 24-year-old trainee teacher from King's Lynn, knows all too well the devastating impact drug driving can have.

    In January last year her mother, sister and stepfather were killed in a head-on collision with a driver who was under the influence of illegal drugs, just a few miles from their home.

    Summer Mace
    Now, Summer describes her life as a waking nightmare: "The moment those people are gone, your whole life has just been destroyed. It's absolutely shattered into a million pieces."

    She wants tougher sentences for anyone caught drug driving, even if they don't cause an accident.

    "If you have a harsh sentence that puts someone away, the moment they drug drive, that is going to deter people. But people…. just get a driving ban and a bit of a fine. They're not going to care."

    Chief Constable Shiner also said stronger sentences were needed, particularly where someone was killed or seriously injured.

    A government spokesperson said: "We have tough penalties and rigorous enforcement in place to screen suspected drug drivers at the roadside, and people found guilty of causing death by careless driving when under the influence of drugs can now face a lifetime prison sentence.

    It said its 10-year drug strategy would "further help clamp down... by tackling the supply of illicit drugs whilst building a world class system of treatment for those who abuse drugs to help turn their life around."

    A drug wipe test
    Insp Dixon said: "Over the last few years we've seen year on year increases. Last year we arrested 2,700 people for drug driving, one of the highest in the country. And I think that's because of the effort and resources we've put into it."

    Merseyside police recorded a particularly high number of drug driving arrests during its December Operation Limit campaign - 469, compared to 191 for drink driving.

    The NPCC figures did not give a breakdown of drug and drink driving arrest by region so the BBC approached individual forces for their December figures.

    Other police forces where drug-related arrests exceeded those for drink driving include Hampshire, Thames Valley, Greater Manchester, Sussex and North Wales.

    Jo Shiner, the NPCC's Road Safety Lead, said: "We're definitely seeing more people who are driving under the influence of drugs. And there seems to be a social acceptance between those groups who do that, that it's okay. It's absolutely not."

    She added that it was notable among younger drivers: "I think generally in society we're seeing more use of cannabis, for example, and we are definitely seeing that when we are stopping and testing drivers."

    Since 2015 in England and Wales - a few years later in Scotland - it's been an offence to drive with above certain limits of specified illegal or prescription drugs. The law change was designed to make it easier to catch and convict drug drivers, and enabled roadside testing.

    It was brought in after a campaign by the family of 14-year-old Lillian Groves, who was killed by a speeding driver who had smoked cannabis.

    People convicted of drug driving may end up with a driving ban of one year or more, a fine, and up to 6 months in prison. Causing death by careless driving under the influence of drugs can carry a life sentence.


    Katie's partner and dad of her three children Sam Morris was killed in a drug driving collision, she doesn't think people take risks of drug driving, and dangerous driving in general, seriously enough.

    "The impact Sam's death has had on us as a family is unmeasurable and continues to unfold as time passes, our daughters are so young that as they grow new questions are asked", she said in a statement to the BBC.

    "I believe that if you cause a death while driving unlawfully whether that is through drink or drugs or any other reason it should be treated as manslaughter.

    "The laws around this need to change to bring a small amount of peace to my families like mine and hopefully deter anyone from getting behind the wheel when they are unfit to do so," Katie added.

    Additional reporting by Adrian Bradley and Hope Rhodes.

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    Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

    Dope cheaper than lager

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    • #3
      Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

      Originally posted by BLUETIT View Post
      Dope cheaper than lager
      Aye it seems to have increased significantly over the last few years, ten years ago i never smelt it, now it's everywhere. Mental health issues in the next few decades will fly through the roof!

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      • #4
        Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

        Drug use, speeding up the body’s organs, seems to be being tolerated. Forty odd year olds with the hearts of 90 year olds snuffing it. Sorts out the looming state pension crisis. The government were pretty quick telling us how much they were helping us out financially during Covid whilst saying bugger all about how much was being saved with pensions and benefits being saved immediately with a victim ‘s passing away. The conspiracy theorist would claim it’s covertly trimming the population.

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        • #5
          Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

          Originally posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
          Aye it seems to have increased significantly over the last few years, ten years ago i never smelt it, now it's everywhere. Mental health issues in the next few decades will fly through the roof!
          If young people are using this instead of alcohol then maybe it will reduce mental health problems

          Don't think people realise though how long they need to give it before driving. Maybe there needs to be a real push on awareness, most sane people wouldn't consider drink driving these days.

          Don't use it myself mind, chance would be a fine thing

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          • #6
            Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

            Originally posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
            Aye it seems to have increased significantly over the last few years, ten years ago i never smelt it, now it's everywhere. Mental health issues in the next few decades will fly through the roof!
            Cannabis is used to treat mental health issues not create them.

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            • #7
              Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

              Originally posted by El Horno View Post
              Cannabis is used to treat mental health issues not create them.
              You reckon?




              4. Can cannabis affect my mental health?
              Regular cannabis use can be linked to an increased risk of anxiety and
              depression.22 But most research seems to have a focus on the link
              between psychosis and cannabis.
              Using cannabis can increase the risk of developing psychotic illness,
              including schizophrenia.2324 There is a lot of reliable evidence to show a
              link between the use of stronger cannabis and psychotic illnesses,
              25
              including schizophrenia.
              26 But the link is not fully understood. 27
              Cannabis can increase the chance of developing schizophrenia at an
              earlier age. This is due to the THC levels having an effect on
              schizophrenia.28
              Cannabis may be one of the causes of developing a mental illness, but it
              isn’t the only cause for many people.
              5
              Not everyone who uses cannabis will develop psychosis or schizophrenia.
              And not everyone who has psychosis or schizophrenia has used cannabis.
              But you are more likely to develop a psychotic illness if you smoke
              cannabis. And you are ‘genetically vulnerable’ to mental health problems.
              29
              ‘Genetically vulnerable’ means that you are naturally more likely to
              develop a mental health problem. For example, if people in your family
              have a mental illness, you may be more likely to develop a mental health
              problem. If someone in your family has depression or schizophrenia, you
              are at higher risk of getting these illnesses when you use cannabis.
              Cannabis can have the following effects.
              • Long term use can have a small but permanent effect on how well
              you think and concentrate.
              30
              • Smoking cannabis can cause a serious relapse if you have a
              psychotic illness.31
              • Regular cannabis use can lead to an increased risk of later
              developing mental illness. Especially if you use cannabis when you
              are young.
              32 33
              You can find more information about, ‘Does mental illness run in
              families’ at www.rethink.org. Or call our General Enquiries team on 0121
              522 7007 and ask them to send you a copy of our factsheet.
              Top
              5. What is the difference between psychosis and schizophrenia?
              Psychosis and schizophrenia aren’t the same illness.
              Psychosis is the name given to symptoms or experiences, which include
              hallucinations and delusions. Hallucinations make someone experience
              things differently to other people. This might be seeing things or hearing
              voices. Delusions are when people have unusual beliefs that other people
              don’t have.
              34
              Schizophrenia is a mental illness that affects how someone thinks or feels.
              Symptoms of schizophrenia include hallucinations and delusions. But
              often it will have other symptoms like feeling flat or emotionless, or
              withdrawing from other people.
              You can find more information about:
              • Psychosis
              • Schizophrenia
              at www.rethink.org. Or call our General Enquiries team on 0121 522 7007
              and ask them to send you a copy of our factsheet.

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              • #8
                Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

                Yes

                Treatment with medical cannabis significantly improved symptoms of depression, according to the results of a recently published study.

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                • #9
                  Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

                  Is weed legal over there? Can you buy it in shops?

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                  • #10
                    Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

                    For medical use it is legal, although you need a forward thinking GP to prescribe it.
                    You can't buy it in shops.

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                    • #11
                      Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

                      59 people on a medical study is nothing, they probably felt better as people were talking to them and trying to help.

                      I don't believe in the medical version and it's different anyway.

                      I'm on about dopes on dope, who take it when driving and walking the streets, have a chat with anyone in your local mental health crisis team, and see what they think.

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                      • #12
                        Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

                        Originally posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
                        59 people on a medical study is nothing, they probably felt better as people were talking to them and trying to help.

                        I don't believe in the medical version and it's different anyway.

                        I'm on about dopes on dope, who take it when driving and walking the streets, have a chat with anyone in your local mental health crisis team, and see what they think.
                        You don't know what you're talking about. I get medical cannabis on script. For chronic pain. Stop talking sh*t about things you know nothing about. It's dangerous.

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                        • #13
                          Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

                          Originally posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
                          You reckon?




                          4. Can cannabis affect my mental health?
                          Regular cannabis use can be linked to an increased risk of anxiety and
                          depression.22 But most research seems to have a focus on the link
                          between psychosis and cannabis.
                          Using cannabis can increase the risk of developing psychotic illness,
                          including schizophrenia.2324 There is a lot of reliable evidence to show a
                          link between the use of stronger cannabis and psychotic illnesses,
                          25
                          including schizophrenia.
                          26 But the link is not fully understood. 27
                          Cannabis can increase the chance of developing schizophrenia at an
                          earlier age. This is due to the THC levels having an effect on
                          schizophrenia.28
                          Cannabis may be one of the causes of developing a mental illness, but it
                          isn’t the only cause for many people.
                          5
                          Not everyone who uses cannabis will develop psychosis or schizophrenia.
                          And not everyone who has psychosis or schizophrenia has used cannabis.
                          But you are more likely to develop a psychotic illness if you smoke
                          cannabis. And you are ‘genetically vulnerable’ to mental health problems.
                          29
                          ‘Genetically vulnerable’ means that you are naturally more likely to
                          develop a mental health problem. For example, if people in your family
                          have a mental illness, you may be more likely to develop a mental health
                          problem. If someone in your family has depression or schizophrenia, you
                          are at higher risk of getting these illnesses when you use cannabis.
                          Cannabis can have the following effects.
                          • Long term use can have a small but permanent effect on how well
                          you think and concentrate.
                          30
                          • Smoking cannabis can cause a serious relapse if you have a
                          psychotic illness.31
                          • Regular cannabis use can lead to an increased risk of later
                          developing mental illness. Especially if you use cannabis when you
                          are young.
                          32 33
                          You can find more information about, ‘Does mental illness run in
                          families’ at www.rethink.org. Or call our General Enquiries team on 0121
                          522 7007 and ask them to send you a copy of our factsheet.
                          Top
                          5. What is the difference between psychosis and schizophrenia?
                          Psychosis and schizophrenia aren’t the same illness.
                          Psychosis is the name given to symptoms or experiences, which include
                          hallucinations and delusions. Hallucinations make someone experience
                          things differently to other people. This might be seeing things or hearing
                          voices. Delusions are when people have unusual beliefs that other people
                          don’t have.
                          34
                          Schizophrenia is a mental illness that affects how someone thinks or feels.
                          Symptoms of schizophrenia include hallucinations and delusions. But
                          often it will have other symptoms like feeling flat or emotionless, or
                          withdrawing from other people.
                          You can find more information about:
                          • Psychosis
                          • Schizophrenia
                          at www.rethink.org. Or call our General Enquiries team on 0121 522 7007
                          and ask them to send you a copy of our factsheet.
                          Man cuts and pastes stuff off internet. None of this is in context. It's misinformation and dangerous. Stick to speed limits.

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                          • #14
                            Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

                            Originally posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
                            You don't know what you're talking about. I get medical cannabis on script. For chronic pain. Stop talking sh*t about things you know nothing about. It's dangerous.
                            I thought you'd be on it the nonsense you spout, his article says it's better for depression not pain.

                            OK let all believe CN, smoking skunk is good for you, drive with it too it calms you down :hehe:

                            Missinformation here from the experts - https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mental-hea...r-young-people

                            Explore the relationship between cannabis use and mental health, addressing concerns and examining effects on depression, anxiety, and psychotic illnesses.


                            New research, involving millions of people worldwide over decades, adds to worries that heavy use of high-potency cannabis could exacerbate the mental health crisis in the U.S.

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                            • #15
                              Re: More drug than drink-driving arrests by some forces

                              Originally posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
                              I thought you'd be on it the nonsense you spout, his article says it's better for depression not pain.

                              OK let all believe CN, smoking skunk is good for you, drive with it too it calms you down :hehe:

                              Missinformation here from the experts - https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mental-hea...r-young-people

                              Explore the relationship between cannabis use and mental health, addressing concerns and examining effects on depression, anxiety, and psychotic illnesses.


                              https://www.nbcnews.com/health/menta...weed-rcna84984

                              Cannabis is an illegal drug which can affect your mental health. Find out about the effects cannabis can have on your mental health, and how to get support.

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