Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

[Guest]

I thought she would be all for letting councils keep their housing stock rather than selling it. So find it strange she bought her own council home with 25% discount and then sold it for a 48% profit

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Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

I totally agree

It was a disgraceful policy yet she's given it validation

Pathetic to read her saying she worked hard and did it by the book......that's the problem , its totally unfair in the first place

I can't stand her

[Alan Lung]

Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

I can't stand her

Are you sure about this?

[JamesWales]

Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

He problem is she is so pious and so intolerant of others. Any slip up from others and she's on them like a tonne of bricks. So she should expect the same.

Hypocrite too, but most politicians are.

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Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

Are you sure about this?

She looks like a bloke

[pipster]

Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

He problem is she is so pious and so intolerant of others. Any slip up from others and she's on them like a tonne of bricks. So she should expect the same.

Hypocrite too, but most politicians are.

I can understand why she did it, just like Dianne Abbott campaigning against private schools and then sending her to one (he still ended up in jail though) or even Corbyn who went to a grammar school as did his son. It does stink a bit though and shows them up for what they are (human) and hypocrits.

Luckily our Charlotte has come to the rescue by singing from the river to the sea in Caerphilly on Saturday to divert attention.....

The next bit of heat is coming to Vaughan Gething it seems taking a donation of 200k from a bloke who has twice been convicted of environmental damage and then another donation from the company behind the coal exchange 20k (I wonder what they wanted in return...) now gone bust -seemingly on purpose after they skanked their investors - many just caught up in a time share scam - well done Mr Gething - nice work...

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Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

He problem is she is so pious and so intolerant of others. Any slip up from others and she's on them like a tonne of bricks. So she should expect the same.

Hypocrite too, but most politicians are.

It's the pathetic attempt to say she'd worked hard etc

What she did by buying her council house was stick two fingers up to the many people who could not get what was effectively a government cash bung like she did to buy her council house

And then slag off the policy .....which she benefitted from

Couldn't make it up

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

I agree it doesn't look good, but my parents had the chance of buying the council house they were renting back in the mid 70s (before Thatcher became Prime Minister) and paid what always struck me as a bargain price for it. The house was left to me, my brother and sister when my parents died and in 2018 we sold it for what was about twenty five times more than what my parents paid for it. Maybe, I'm being stupid here, but if you're saying Angela Raynor was wrong for selling the house at a profit some years after she bought it, were my siblings and I wrong for selling the house left to us for what the market deemed was a fair price?

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Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

I agree it doesn't look good, but my parents had the chance of buying the council house they were renting back in the mid 70s (before Thatcher became Prime Minister) and paid what always struck me as a bargain price for it. The house was left to me, my brother and sister when my parents died and in 2018 we sold it for what was about twenty five times more than what my parents paid for it. Maybe, I'm being stupid here, but if you're saying Angela Raynor was wrong for selling the house at a profit some years after she bought it, were my siblings and I wrong for selling the house left to us for what the market deemed was a fair price?

Legally no

Morally yes

Lots of people never bought what essentially was a state asset and made money out of it

They refused to take up right to buy and gave the council houses back to the council so future generations with no chance of owning a home could rent and have a roof over their head for a relatively cheap rent

Council houses should be for the community and there should be no right to buy something .....even if its for your children ......if that reduces the availability of housing for those in need in the future

If there is to be a equitable society there is no compromise on this wether its Angela raynor or the man in the street

[pipster]

Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

If you are going to stand on a platform and protest / shout about something - and then do something else - it's wrong on every level. She will counter (like Abbott) that she was doing it for her family. Which is a valent attempt - but it doesnt wash.
Raynor has taken the offer (of Thatcher I guess) on the chance to get on the property ladder, be responsible for her own home, keep it clean and tidy, look after it and make the neighbourhood a better place. Far too often when it's the council's job to look after somewhere rather than the person living there - it doesnt take long for the neighbourhood to become a sh1thole.

She has deprived someone else the chance of making a start in life without having a mortgage round their necks. It should have been - move in - get a job get settled - save up - move out. But people dont - they realise they are on a good screw and wont shift - like Bob Crow - on 120K a year and still wouldnt move out of his council house

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

Legally no

Morally yes

Lots of people never bought what essentially was a state asset and made money out of it

They refused to take up right to buy and gave the council houses back to the council so future generations with no chance of owning a home could rent and have a roof over their head for a relatively cheap rent

Council houses should be for the community and there should be no right to buy something .....even if its for your children ......if that reduces the availability of housing for those in need in the future

If there is to be a equitable society there is no compromise on this wether its Angela raynor or the man in the street

So, what you’re saying is we should have put the house on the market for a lot less than £10,000 in 2018 some forty two years after my parents bought the house?

[pipster]

Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

The housing association model is a better way - you own half - they own half. Damage the property wilfully - and you're out. Housing association help with big repairs etc. If the person decides to move out - Im not sure if the housing association buys them out or what.
Interesting to see what happens with council flats going up on the site where the council demolished the community centre. 81 flats going in there.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

I agree it doesn't look good, but my parents had the chance of buying the council house they were renting back in the mid 70s (before Thatcher became Prime Minister) and paid what always struck me as a bargain price for it. The house was left to me, my brother and sister when my parents died and in 2018 we sold it for what was about twenty five times more than what my parents paid for it. Maybe, I'm being stupid here, but if you're saying Angela Raynor was wrong for selling the house at a profit some years after she bought it, were my siblings and I wrong for selling the house left to us for what the market deemed was a fair price?

When my nan died my dad was given the opportunity to buy her council flat in London and refused because he hates the policy/saw it as highly damaging. Ultimately this has cost us hundreds of thousands and I imagine my sister's are deep down a bit peeved but over time my respect for that decision has grown and grown. It's a fair bit different to your situation as none of us would have lived in it, it would have only been an investment vehicle but I suppose the point is, if my dad can prioritise principles over wealth then I'd expect politicians to also.

Obviously the net effect is that someone else probably bought it and made a mint on it so taking a principled stance doesn't actually achieve anything in reality.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

The housing association model is a better way - you own half - they own half. Damage the property wilfully - and you're out. Housing association help with big repairs etc. If the person decides to move out - Im not sure if the housing association buys them out or what.
Interesting to see what happens with council flats going up on the site where the council demolished the community centre. 81 flats going in there.

I saw a news piece a few years back about a scheme where the value of a new build dwelling would forever be linked at a low multiplier to the local median wage. If the area became more prosperous then you could make a modest return but otherwise you were buying the house to live in and not to make obscene amounts of money. The people being shown around couldn't get their head around how it was so cheap, I dont think they quite got it and thought they had won the lottery.

This is what the state should be building but no prizes for guessing why it didn't take off.

[pipster]

Re: Angela Rayner is she in favour of protecting council homes

When my nan died my dad was given the opportunity to buy her council flat in London and refused because he hates the policy/saw it as highly damaging. Ultimately this has cost us hundreds of thousands and I imagine my sister's are deep down a bit peeved but over time my respect for that decision has grown and grown. It's a fair bit different to your situation as none of us would have lived in it, it would have only been an investment vehicle but I suppose the point is, if my dad can prioritise principles over wealth then I'd expect politicians to also.

Obviously the net effect is that someone else probably bought it and made a mint on it so taking a principled stance doesn't actually achieve anything in reality.

The flip side to that is - your Dad could have bought and the money that went to the council could have been used to build another flat somewhere else. Building costs havent gone up as much as the property cost - so they could have even been able to build 2 flats.
Until the population flattens out - we are going to have the same problem. UK population before Blair was around 60 million - it's now around 68-70 million depending on you you listen to.
Going back to Raynor - she is a fecking hypocrit, rides on the bandwagon of "Im one of you" when in reality she wants to be as far away from that as possible - until it comes to an election.

ps - did someone mention her boob job being done in a private hospital ?