What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

[Gofer Blue]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

Cheers for your very personal contribution. Takes something to do that on an open forum but I guess you're happy answering any questions.

If religion/Christianity works for you then great. I've no problem with people's personal beliefs, it's a bit colloquial and probably simplistic but "whatever floats your boat..."

I obviously 'don't believe' but do recognise religion can make some people better personalities for whatever reasons that maybe.

I'm an atheist but there again so was Han Solo.

I live with a church goer and alhough we have had theological discussions it's never descended into argument and they've never felt the need to suggest my lifestyle or beliefs are wrong.

I do take issue with any religious groups/parties who try to set an agenda or pass down doctrines on others where my use of the term 'fundamentalist' was used, with a negative view. You've taken your time to clear that up and we've agreed the term can be construed and interpreted in different ways with a number of meanings.

No problem, always happy to share my views with others and never afraid of having my faith challenged. However as I always say, judge me by my actions not my words - somewhat difficult on an Internet forum of course! There must now be many people on this forum who have been exposed to Christian thinking (1650 views of this thread to date but only 44 replies, mostly from the same dozen or so people). In a sense that's all I can do then, I have shared the gospel as Jesus requires of his followers but the rest is up to them.

[Gofer Blue]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

It does amaze me somewhat that people actually believe the stuff written about a bloke called Jesus 2000 yrs ago, it’s more than likely all bollocks, like most old stories, which seem to grow in obscureness as the years roll by. Not forgetting that the church used fear to rule so would regularly peddle lies and mis information to control the people. Lastly, stuff that was relevant so long ago, really isn’t now.
Morals and being kind, curtious etc will always be in favour but looking how beliefs of just 20/30 years ago are not tolerated anymore and some that might have you clipped 100 yrs ago, like being gay, are now fine, make stuff written so long ago almost completely irrelevant. You will never see that though….I fully get that…

In pretty short supply in this country these days I find. For example, our politicians aren't setting particularly good standards of morals, kindness or courtesy. Also this forum can sometimes be a microcosm in that regard!

[Gofer Blue]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

Fundamentalist:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...allowed-caning

The characteristics of a Christian are love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Ask your self: by her actions does this woman fit this description?

[Gofer Blue]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

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[Gofer Blue]

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It’s hardly surviving is it? Barely anyone under 75 goes to church. Religion causes far more issues than it solves in my eyes. The only young people I know that became religious were lost souls, desperately seeking help somehow be it from drugs, abuse or a bad upbringing…..

Really?

Is that a bad thing then?

[jon1959]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

The characteristics of a Christian are love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Ask your self: by her actions does this woman fit this description?

She fits my description of a fundamentalst.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

The characteristics of a Christian are love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Ask your self: by her actions does this woman fit this description?

That doesn't exactly describe the most vociferous member of your flock on here who described my evidencing his misquoting of other posters as being Hamas-like.

[life on mars]

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Groups that highjack decent societies to then push their agenda only , based on their narrow view of a principles that a free , decent and inclusive society does not want .

I don't mind that being a thing in their own lands , churches and societies just keep it away from my world and children partially the ones that die in incidents like the Manchester Arena bombing .

Strangely Fundamentalist highjack the gullible in life , in particularly socialists parties and open/free democratic societies like the UK .

They don't allow Christians' , gay , free speech fundamental rights in their own lands , and even within thier own households in the UK .

I laugh at the fact that folk like LGBTQIA+ - ++ -- etc. join these marches not knowing a thing about the very societies /people they march alongside these organizations are hate preachers , they hate LGBTQIA+ communities , free speech, Christianity ( in fact they murder /massacre them in their home lands , and treat woman as dirt ) .

From the river to the sea , evil , buggers .

Has anyone seen a suicide Jewish bomber in the UK ??????

[life on mars]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

She fits my description of a fundamentalist.

Other fundamentalist : hate woman's rights , gays , free speech , Jews , Christians , any forthright views on that ?

[goats]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

In pretty short supply in this country these days I find. For example, our politicians aren't setting particularly good standards of morals, kindness or courtesy. Also this forum can sometimes be a microcosm in that regard!

Don’t ever look at politicians as a benchmark for society surely? Absolute freaks of nature most of them, so out of touch with anything real. We really need a new political system.

[jon1959]

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[jeepster]

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That was as funny as fcuk.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

People have been indoctrinated by the state, by conquering powers and their community regarding religions and millions of people believe in dogmas other than Christianity. Indeed, even Abrahamism has such deep schisms that they perceived the role of Jesus differently.
Christianity was transported around Europe by the Roman Empire and by subsequent colonial expansion from countries that were under the yoke of that Empire originally.
Language travelled along that same conduit and that's why most South Americans speak Spanish and are Catholics by default - and let's not forget than non-believers around the world were punished for being non-believers (or deemed as being punished in various types of hell) and persecuted for expounding a different model of the universe than stated in various religious tomes.
The Bible didn't land in Earth in the format it is now and has been tinkered with, edited, parts thrown out and those parts remain are often contradictory, ridiculously fanciful (talking snakes, talking donkeys, virgin births etc) and are merely the product of bronze age primitivity. The various authors thereof knew very little, if anything, about microbes, atoms, electricity, plate tectonics, the universe and a million other things.
A great many of stories in the Bible were lifted from preceding religions, which few adherents seem to know about or take on board.
It's fascinating folklore but it's not stand-alone stuff if you study religion. And religion has not been a free choice historically. Children have been indoctrinated by fear and reward of religions in their communities for millennia. It's no coincidence that believers tend to follow the religion of their immediate community rather than have an overview of world religions. It's indoctrination and without sufficient proof for critical thinkers.
To believe in a talking snake and the Garden of Eden (also lifted from previous religions) is pure unquestioning gullibility - just as many of the stories are. People in other cultures and who have been similarly indoctrinated still believe in a god with an elephant's head and gods who are polar bears and lizards. It's just a case of unquestioning belief in something that unknown primitive people came up with.
I can't remember having a discussion with any believers who acknowledge that their religion was grafted from a preceding one as they tend not to look into things that much and merely see their version of their religion as a template for all else to fit in with. Funnily enough, their religion and schism thereof, is usually the first one they are exposed to as a child.
I would be surprised if you were to come across a member of the Inuit people who believed in Shiva, someone raised as a Catholic in Cardiff who believed in the polar bear god or someone from Outer Mongolia who believed in Wodin or Janus.
The language we speak and the religions we traditionally worshipped throughout history are merely cultural appropriations.
Fascinating - but it's folklore.

Apart from the appalling liar that is 'truthpaste' what do Christians on here think about regarding:

1.The Noah's Ark story mimmicking the Sumerian legend of Ziusudra, the subsequent Old Babylonian story of Atrahasisand the story of Ushnapistim. In those cases the world was flooded due to the gods being angry with human beings.

2. The story of Moses mimicking that of Sargon, who was put in a basket in the river.

3. The story of Job mimicking that of Ludlul-bēl-Numēqi.

4. The story of the Garden of Eden and having to leave it naked due to falling victim to temptation mimicking the story of Enkidu.

5. The story of Jonah mimicking that of Saktideva.

6. The story of the tower of Babel in preceding Hindu and Armenian culture?

7. The Moses story mimicking that of Dionysus.

8. Abraham offering up his son mimicking that of Harishchandra.

9. The Holy Trinity mimicking that of Brahma, Vishnu, And Shiva.

10. The Ten Commandments mimmicking much of the Egyptian Bookof The Dead.

11. The narrative of the Apocalypse largely mimicking the Zoroastrian stoty of the “Frashokereti”.

12. Jesus' compassion for the sick and poor and the creator of miracles mimicking the story of Asclepius.

13. The character of Samson mimicking the Sumerian Enkidu and the Greek Heracles.

14. The concept of the struggle of good against evil and demons mimicking the story of Zoroastrianism.

15. The virgin birth mimicking that of Zoroaster and Erichthonius.

16. The act of turning water into wine mimicking that of Dionysus.

17. The story of Abraham mimicking that of Harishchandra.

18. Jesus not being seduced by temptation mimicking the story of Siddhārtha.

19. The Book of Proverbs mimicking the Instruction of Amenemope.

On the other hand there is no proof whatsoever about the Biblical virgin birth, a talking snake, a talking donkey, anyone being turned to salt, Noah living until he was 950, the universe being created within a week, the ground under St David miraculously rising so that he could address a crowd, people rising from the dead (and there were lots of them described in the Bible), the parting of the Red Sea and a lot else.

Religions are fascinating folklore but that's exactly what they are - and how anyone can believe them as being literal in the 21st century when they were collated by people who had little or no idea about atoms, plate tectonics, bacteria, space-time, electricity, evolution and all the other things we know about now, I don't know. Well, I do really. It's down to indoctrination as a child.

[truthpaste]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

That doesn't exactly describe the most vociferous member of your flock on here who described my evidencing his misquoting of other posters as being Hamas-like.

Twist away BG. Nobody is taken in by your distorted whining.
I said the rabbit holes you create are at the same level as Hamas, yet you twisted that round to imply that I was likening you to Hamas themselves! Really!! Is that all you've got?

Talk about desperation

[truthpaste]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

Apart from the appalling liar that is 'truthpaste' what do Christians on here think about regarding:

1.The Noah's Ark story mimmicking the Sumerian legend of Ziusudra, the subsequent Old Babylonian story of Atrahasisand the story of Ushnapistim. In those cases the world was flooded due to the gods being angry with human beings.

2. The story of Moses mimicking that of Sargon, who was put in a basket in the river.

3. The story of Job mimicking that of Ludlul-bēl-Numēqi.

4. The story of the Garden of Eden and having to leave it naked due to falling victim to temptation mimicking the story of Enkidu.

5. The story of Jonah mimicking that of Saktideva.

6. The story of the tower of Babel in preceding Hindu and Armenian culture?

7. The Moses story mimicking that of Dionysus.

8. Abraham offering up his son mimicking that of Harishchandra.

9. The Holy Trinity mimicking that of Brahma, Vishnu, And Shiva.

10. The Ten Commandments mimmicking much of the Egyptian Bookof The Dead.

11. The narrative of the Apocalypse largely mimicking the Zoroastrian stoty of the “Frashokereti”.

12. Jesus' compassion for the sick and poor and the creator of miracles mimicking the story of Asclepius.

13. The character of Samson mimicking the Sumerian Enkidu and the Greek Heracles.

14. The concept of the struggle of good against evil and demons mimicking the story of Zoroastrianism.

15. The virgin birth mimicking that of Zoroaster and Erichthonius.

16. The act of turning water into wine mimicking that of Dionysus.

17. The story of Abraham mimicking that of Harishchandra.

18. Jesus not being seduced by temptation mimicking the story of Siddhārtha.

19. The Book of Proverbs mimicking the Instruction of Amenemope.

On the other hand there is no proof whatsoever about the Biblical virgin birth, a talking snake, a talking donkey, anyone being turned to salt, Noah living until he was 950, the universe being created within a week, the ground under St David miraculously rising so that he could address a crowd, people rising from the dead (and there were lots of them described in the Bible), the parting of the Red Sea and a lot else.

Religions are fascinating folklore but that's exactly what they are - and how anyone can believe them as being literal in the 21st century when they were collated by people who had little or no idea about atoms, plate tectonics, bacteria, space-time, electricity, evolution and all the other things we know about now, I don't know. Well, I do really. It's down to indoctrination as a child.

So you've bought into Evolution as absolute truth and rejected man-made religion for what it is, just as flawed as evolution.
Like many Roman Catholics (which you may or may not have been), you have rejected it as one big mess. Join a long confused queue, that is hardly unique.

What Gofer (and others) have here is nothing to do with that, and the sooner you can spot the difference, the less irrational and confused you will be.