What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

So you've bought into Evolution as absolute truth and rejected man-made religion for what it is, just as flawed as evolution.
Like many Roman Catholics (which you may or may not have been), you have rejected it as one big mess. Join a long confused queue, that is hardly unique.

What Gofer (and others) have here is nothing to do with that, and the sooner you can spot the difference, the less irrational and confused you will be.

How incredibly laughable that is coming from someone who believes in a talking snake!

And, as usual, and as I have proven previously, you misquoted me. Your lies are tiresome.

[truthpaste]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

How incredibly laughable that is coming from someone who believes in a talking snake!

And, as usual, and as I have proven previously, you misquoted me. Your lies are tiresome.

As usual, all froth, 100% whining, no content.

Is that all you can produce after 2 days?

Your delusion is complete.

[jon1959]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

Your delusion is complete.

Irony has risen again!

[pipster]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

A fundamentalist is someone who sticks very strictly to the basic teachings or beliefs of their religion or ideology etc. They usually take these teachings very seriously and don't like to change them or see them interpreted in new ways. They might prefer things to be done the same way they were traditionally done and might not be open to new ideas or changes - unfortunately.

But on the other side of the coin - that then means you have blokes wanting to identify as women, who can have a penis and go on the Labour party women only list for a constituency. Most of us seem to be in the middle - but it's the ones on either extreme that gets the light

[truthpaste]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

Irony has risen again!

If you think you have a robust world view then let's hear it?

[jon1959]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

If you think you have a robust world view then let's hear it?

I have, thank you.

I think we live in a physical world that operates to certain scientific laws that we are slowly starting to understand.

I do not believe there are any gods or fairies in the mix.

We are born. We live and achieve consciousness. We die. The end.

But my comment - the one that drew your deflecting response - was pointing out that if anyone on this board deserves the label of deluded, it is you. But self-awareness must be difficult with a closed mind and fetishising a book of bronze age folk tales.

[truthpaste]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

I have, thank you.

I think we live in a physical world that operates to certain scientific laws that we are slowly starting to understand.

I do not believe there are any gods or fairies in the mix.

We are born. We live and achieve consciousness. We die. The end.

But my comment - the one that drew your deflecting response - was pointing out that if anyone on this board deserves the label of deluded, it is you. But self-awareness must be difficult with a closed mind and fetishising a book of bronze age folk tales.

I've heard all those cut & paste insults for decades, so don't waste your limited time.
Science is extremely slow, but it's catching up slowly. Unfortunately science only has a maximum ceiling of how, not why.
As a result, you don't know why you exist or where you ulimately come from, and that's just for starters.
Your world-view, as I suspected, is redundant.

[jon1959]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

I've heard all those cut & paste insults for decades, so don't waste your limited time.
Science is extremely slow, but it's catching up slowly. Unfortunately science only has a maximum ceiling of how, not why.
As a result, you don't know why you exist or where you ulimately come from, and that's just for starters.
Your world-view, as I suspected, is redundant.

Ouch!

My world view is redundant is it?

However, I may just be able to live with the crushing disappointment of your judgement.

In fact, being dismissed by a swivel-eyed apologist for ethnic cleansing is quite uplifting.

Thanks!

[truthpaste]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

Ouch!

My world view is redundant is it?

However, I may just be able to live with the crushing disappointment of your judgement.

In fact, being dismissed by a swivel-eyed apologist for ethnic cleansing is quite uplifting.

Thanks!

Nothing left but insults, that's as surprising as United collapsing this afternoon.

[Gofer Blue]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

That doesn't exactly describe the most vociferous member of your flock on here who described my evidencing his misquoting of other posters as being Hamas-like.

I suspect he would own up, as I would, to fall a long way short of the sort of people Jesus wants us to be. If you find someone who ticks all the boxes let me know, because I would love to meet him/her!

For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).

[Gofer Blue]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

Apart from the appalling liar that is 'truthpaste' what do Christians on here think about regarding:

1.The Noah's Ark story mimmicking the Sumerian legend of Ziusudra, the subsequent Old Babylonian story of Atrahasisand the story of Ushnapistim. In those cases the world was flooded due to the gods being angry with human beings.

2. The story of Moses mimicking that of Sargon, who was put in a basket in the river.

3. The story of Job mimicking that of Ludlul-bēl-Numēqi.

4. The story of the Garden of Eden and having to leave it naked due to falling victim to temptation mimicking the story of Enkidu.

5. The story of Jonah mimicking that of Saktideva.

6. The story of the tower of Babel in preceding Hindu and Armenian culture?

7. The Moses story mimicking that of Dionysus.

8. Abraham offering up his son mimicking that of Harishchandra.

9. The Holy Trinity mimicking that of Brahma, Vishnu, And Shiva.

10. The Ten Commandments mimmicking much of the Egyptian Bookof The Dead.

11. The narrative of the Apocalypse largely mimicking the Zoroastrian stoty of the “Frashokereti”.

12. Jesus' compassion for the sick and poor and the creator of miracles mimicking the story of Asclepius.

13. The character of Samson mimicking the Sumerian Enkidu and the Greek Heracles.

14. The concept of the struggle of good against evil and demons mimicking the story of Zoroastrianism.

15. The virgin birth mimicking that of Zoroaster and Erichthonius.

16. The act of turning water into wine mimicking that of Dionysus.

17. The story of Abraham mimicking that of Harishchandra.

18. Jesus not being seduced by temptation mimicking the story of Siddhārtha.

19. The Book of Proverbs mimicking the Instruction of Amenemope.

On the other hand there is no proof whatsoever about the Biblical virgin birth, a talking snake, a talking donkey, anyone being turned to salt, Noah living until he was 950, the universe being created within a week, the ground under St David miraculously rising so that he could address a crowd, people rising from the dead (and there were lots of them described in the Bible), the parting of the Red Sea and a lot else.

Religions are fascinating folklore but that's exactly what they are - and how anyone can believe them as being literal in the 21st century when they were collated by people who had little or no idea about atoms, plate tectonics, bacteria, space-time, electricity, evolution and all the other things we know about now, I don't know. Well, I do really. It's down to indoctrination as a child.

I note you use the word mimicking in each of your examples.

I suppose my reply to all this supposed plagiarism would have to be…why? i.e. why would a Hebrew author need to do that? Indeed, would he have had knowledge of these examples as they were presumably written in different languages in different places at different times? Also should it be surprising that the recording of some of these different events may have happened elsewhere e.g. the flood – if this was a universal catastrophe then there may have been other survivors in other countries who would have recorded the same event? I bet Job was not the only person on the planet to be angry with God because he had a raw deal in life!

I wonder if any of the other writers of the events you list prophesised the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, God in human form, as the writers of the book of Isaiah did? (I understand that there may have been several writers who contributed to this book). IMO this book is one of the most important in the OT as it points to the coming of Christ although it was written at least 400 years before that. This would beg the question what text did the author(s) “mimic” when this book was written if we follow the plagiarism line that you are proposing. I would be interested to know.

You ask…how anyone can believe these stories as being literal in the 21st century when they were collated by people who had little or no idea about atoms, plate tectonics, bacteria, space-time, electricity, evolution and all the other things we know about now, I don't know. Well, I do really. It's down to indoctrination as a child.

Well, modern man may know a lot about atoms, plate tectonics, bacteria, space-time, electricity, evolution and all the other things we know about now, but he has learned precious little about the basic but important things that Jesus spoke about like justice, self-control, selflessness, envy, greed, hate and aggression. Indeed we seem to be in reverse rather than "evolving" into perfection or maybe you haven’t noticed how things are going lately?

As to indoctrination of a child, that’s possible of course but children do grow up to be questioning teenagers/adults!

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

I note you use the word mimicking in each of your examples.

I suppose my reply to all this supposed plagiarism would have to be…why? i.e. why would a Hebrew author need to do that? Indeed, would he have had knowledge of these examples as they were presumably written in different languages in different places at different times? Also should it be surprising that the recording of some of these different events may have happened elsewhere e.g. the flood – if this was a universal catastrophe then there may have been other survivors in other countries who would have recorded the same event? I bet Job was not the only person on the planet to be angry with God because he had a raw deal in life!

I wonder if any of the other writers of the events you list prophesised the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, God in human form, as the writers of the book of Isaiah did? (I understand that there may have been several writers who contributed to this book). IMO this book is one of the most important in the OT as it points to the coming of Christ although it was written at least 400 years before that. This would beg the question what text did the author(s) “mimic” when this book was written if we follow the plagiarism line that you are proposing. I would be interested to know.

You ask…how anyone can believe these stories as being literal in the 21st century when they were collated by people who had little or no idea about atoms, plate tectonics, bacteria, space-time, electricity, evolution and all the other things we know about now, I don't know. Well, I do really. It's down to indoctrination as a child.

Well, modern man may know a lot about atoms, plate tectonics, bacteria, space-time, electricity, evolution and all the other things we know about now, but he has learned precious little about the basic but important things that Jesus spoke about like justice, self-control, selflessness, envy, greed, hate and aggression. Indeed we seem to be in reverse rather than "evolving" into perfection or maybe you haven’t noticed how things are going lately?

As to indoctrination of a child, that’s possible of course but children do grow up to be questioning teenagers/adults!

As I said, the nature of folklore is that it builds on previous folklore (and it's no coincidence that Christian festivities adopted themes from paganism e.g. Christmas being piggy-backed onto Saturnalia and Easter being named after a pagan godess!)

The concept of human messiahs existed in Zoroastrianism and not in Abrahamism. And there are probably many, many more examples around the world than this simple soul can think of off the top of his head, no doubt!

And considering that Judaism doesn't even recognise your Messiah and that there were many others in the region to make a claim to that concept, your argument doesn't stand up.

You really seem to have no idea about the world outside your indoctrinated bubble and the global cultural context that it sits in.

By the way, do you actually believe in the talking snake, the talking donkey, the virgin birth, Jesus being the Messiah and people being turned to salt? A simple 'yes' or'no' will suffice - and if so, what evidence is there for those things? Something written in a so-called holy book is not evidence as such, by the way. Self-fulfilling prophecies in a book that refer back to a book itself and which contains nonsense, proven fiction, sheer fantasy and laughable tales (and which is wriiten largely by unknown individuals reported hearsay in an era when the vast population were illiterate and parochial) does not constitute evidence to a thinking person, regardless of whether it satisfies you personally.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

As I said, the nature of folklore is that it builds on previous folklore (and it's no coincidence that Christian festivities adopted themes from paganism e.g. Christmas being piggy-backed onto Saturnalia and Easter being named after a pagan godess!)

The concept of human messiahs existed in Zoroastrianism and not in Abrahamism. And there are probably many, many more examples around the world than this simple soul can think of off the top of his head, no doubt!

And considering that Judaism doesn't even recognise your Messiah and that there were many others in the region to make a claim to that concept, your argument doesn't stand up.

You really seem to have no idea about the world outside your indoctrinated bubble and the global cultural context that it sits in.

By the way, do you actually believe in the talking snake, the talking donkey, the virgin birth, Jesus being the Messiah and people being turned to salt? A simple 'yes' or'no' will suffice - and if so, what evidence is there for those things? Something written in a so-called holy book is not evidence as such, by the way. Self-fulfilling prophecies in a book that refer back to a book itself and which contains nonsense, proven fiction, sheer fantasy and laughable tales (and which is wriiten largely by unknown individuals reported hearsay in an era when the vast population were illiterate and parochial) does not constitute evidence to a thinking person, regardless of whether it satisfies you personally.

Oops. I meant 'before'

[truthpaste]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

I suspect he would own up, as I would, to fall a long way short of the sort of people Jesus wants us to be. If you find someone who ticks all the boxes let me know, because I would love to meet him/her!

For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).

Indeed, a Christian isn't some sort of goody-goody. While their morals should be better than you'd expect from your average citizen and their life aims very different indeed, they will let God, relatives and friends down as we all do.

The key difference between them and others is this, they've admitted their lives do fall short, they are NOT a good person (by God's definition) and because of this they realise they need and have then sought - and at some point - found a Saviour, in fact the only individual that can save them from falling into the Hands of the Living God, and that is The Lord Jesus Christ.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: What do you understand a FUNDAMENTALIST to be?

Twist away BG. Nobody is taken in by your distorted whining.
I said the rabbit holes you create are at the same level as Hamas, yet you twisted that round to imply that I was likening you to Hamas themselves! Really!! Is that all you've got?

Talk about desperation

No rabbit holes. No twisting of your words regardless of your proven twisting of mine on several occasions (and quoted in 'direct speech' I reproduced to boot.

And you highlighted comment above just about says everything about you. A total hypocrite for someone who supposedly espouses Christianity. I have a number of Christian friends who would find your simile as totally outrageous and highly offensive - and if you had any decency you would retract it and be severely embarrassed. No hope of that though.