Manager situation and the constant changing over recent years

[Dembe]

I will most definitely contradict myself...

It is unhealthy to continually chop and change manager, of that I 100 percent agree. The club needs stability from top to bottom.

The Bulut train was quick out the station, the football he looked to be trying to play seemed pleasing on the eye, I enjoyed the trip to Albufeira in the summer. At some point this changed. I understand its about staying in the league, but what was the reason for the with in play?

Cardiff City aren't going up or down. Why is he setting us up to be hard to beat and to nick a win?

If this is what we are going to be served up week in week out then id rather see a change, maybe find out the philosophy of the incoming manager and chose one based on how they want the club to play. Lets have an identity, a pathway to the first team, a way of playing that the scouts understand what to look for, and the stupid transfer squad to whatever they call it these days can identify players based on a playing style that runs from the kids up to the seniors, this makes it easier to bring in players from the younger year groups, we will never be Man City or Liverpool, great, but if we do manage to produce the odd player it would be great for them to just slot seamlessly into the senior squad and not enter a completely alien training session... its proven to work so why do we do it so differently.

We do have players capable of playing better football, COD and Bowler with the shackles off could run at defences, its not like they're incapable of this, its the way they're instructed that hinders them.

[Father Dougal]

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Literally every new manager will say they will deliver that 3rd paragraph. Exciting football. Path from academy to first team. Get fans excited etc etc.... saying it isn't difficult.

Unfortunately there are opposition teams who can exploit this fairly quickly and there is a reason teams quickly drop it.

Even when trollope was appointed and we signed emyr huws people were excited about us playing 2 number 10s like wales at the time etc. .. remember the revOLEution? Based on fast running football like man u. Sounded so easy.

Morison is a joke figure now but many wanted him appointed for months before he was.

To quote Mike tyson- everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face.

[Re-sign Carl Dale]

Re: Manager situation and the constant changing over recent years

Literally every new manager will say they will deliver that 3rd paragraph. Exciting football. Path from academy to first team. Get fans excited etc etc.... saying it isn't difficult.

Unfortunately there are opposition teams who can exploit this fairly quickly and there is a reason teams quickly drop it.

Even when trollope was appointed and we signed emyr huws people were excited about us playing 2 number 10s like wales at the time etc. .. remember the revOLEution? Based on fast running football like man u. Sounded so easy.

Morison is a joke figure now but many wanted him appointed for months before he was.

To quote Mike tyson- everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face.

Post of the year NQAT.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Manager situation and the constant changing over recent years

I will most definitely contradict myself...

It is unhealthy to continually chop and change manager, of that I 100 percent agree. The club needs stability from top to bottom.

The Bulut train was quick out the station, the football he looked to be trying to play seemed pleasing on the eye, I enjoyed the trip to Albufeira in the summer. At some point this changed. I understand its about staying in the league, but what was the reason for the with in play?

Cardiff City aren't going up or down. Why is he setting us up to be hard to beat and to nick a win?

If this is what we are going to be served up week in week out then id rather see a change, maybe find out the philosophy of the incoming manager and chose one based on how they want the club to play. Lets have an identity, a pathway to the first team, a way of playing that the scouts understand what to look for, and the stupid transfer squad to whatever they call it these days can identify players based on a playing style that runs from the kids up to the seniors, this makes it easier to bring in players from the younger year groups, we will never be Man City or Liverpool, great, but if we do manage to produce the odd player it would be great for them to just slot seamlessly into the senior squad and not enter a completely alien training session... its proven to work so why do we do it so differently.

We do have players capable of playing better football, COD and Bowler with the shackles off could run at defences, its not like they're incapable of this, its the way they're instructed that hinders them.

I agree that Bulut is too negative. Most pundits seem to think so as well. As you said, he wasn't at the start of the season. However, 2-0 up at Leeds, he decides to shut up shop. We drew but on another day we wouldn't have got as lucky as we were at times and have lost.

I would love it if Bulut could get back that formula from the start of the season. It wasn't dependant on Ramsey.

However, I would suggest your fifth paragraph needs to go into some sort of reverse, though I agree with it. The thought that our next manager could be responsible for our style of football going forward for years fills me with total dread. Our board couldn't appoint a visionary, it'll be another manager on the cheap. The last time we appointed a manager for the future was Malky Mackay.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Manager situation and the constant changing over recent years

Literally every new manager will say they will deliver that 3rd paragraph. Exciting football. Path from academy to first team. Get fans excited etc etc.... saying it isn't difficult.

Unfortunately there are opposition teams who can exploit this fairly quickly and there is a reason teams quickly drop it.

Even when trollope was appointed and we signed emyr huws people were excited about us playing 2 number 10s like wales at the time etc. .. remember the revOLEution? Based on fast running football like man u. Sounded so easy.

Morison is a joke figure now but many wanted him appointed for months before he was.

To quote Mike tyson- everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face.

So the only way we can play is the boring, defensive, set piece dependant stuff we’ve been watching for the last three seasons?

A club like Plymouth can develop a team which plays far more football than us in about two seasons, we’ve had to abandon attempts to play a more progressive game in recent years because the senior players weren’t up to the task - what an admission of defeat that we seem to think we can only play one way.

[Father Dougal]

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So the only way we can play is the boring, defensive, set piece dependant stuff we’ve been watching for the last three seasons?

A club like Plymouth can develop a team which plays far more football than us in about two seasons, we’ve had to abandon attempts to play a more progressive game in recent years because the senior players weren’t up to the task - what an admission of defeat that we seem to think we can only play one way.

It's more like the last 13 seasons than 3 seasons isn't it?

My point was just in those 13 seasons the club could argue they have tried to appoint people to do that- they've just been awful appointments then the club revert to basics and the cycle goes round.

I remember Ridsdale saying when dave jones was appointed- you get the most expensive manager you can possibly get with your budget. Look how much dave jones made the club in return. It's just a shame the ones like trollope and morison maybe hudson have been so unproven and the club have never gone for anyone with a proven record of decent football at this level.

[llan bluebird]

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Love the Tyson quote- "Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face" and the punch in the face IMO is the championship.

I reckon all of EB's plans were up in the air when fatigue, weather and injuries took hold. You need a deep squad and to quote Graham Henry a few "x" factors and this is where we fall short.

The championship is brutal and no place for a novice. Malky was relatively untried in the championship but knew it well and what was required. Same with Warnock, if you keep it to nil you at least get a point.

EB should have learned a lot from this season about what is required to have a crack over two seasons. I think his DNA is keep it nil and you get a point, add some x factor and who knows

[Cleve van Leef]

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So the only way we can play is the boring, defensive, set piece dependant stuff we’ve been watching for the last three seasons?

A club like Plymouth can develop a team which plays far more football than us in about two seasons, we’ve had to abandon attempts to play a more progressive game in recent years because the senior players weren’t up to the task - what an admission of defeat that we seem to think we can only play one way.

3 Seasons? More like 7 or 8 seasons..OGS was the last manager to try and play attractive football, look what happened there.

[PontBlue]

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The championship is brutal and no place for a novice.

The top two are both managed by novice managers plus Ipswich are up there without relying on parachute psyments.

[the other bob wilson]

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The top two are both managed by novice managers plus Ipswich are up there without relying on parachute psyments.

Exactly, there are a few clubs in this league, including the two that played out Saturday’s Severnside derby, who should be embarrassed by Ipswich’s success this season.

[Nobody's Rep]

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3 Seasons? More like 7 or 8 seasons..OGS was the last manager to try and play attractive football, look what happened there.

My memory of ole is that it was chaotic - you never knew what side he was going to pick - it was like he threw all the outfield players names in a hat and chose the first 10 - never forget the jacks away when from memory he didn't pick mutch and noone who at the time were out best players (IMO)

That was a very long day with all the travel restrictions and the M4 being closed after the game coupled with living 9 miles away for the liberty😂😂

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Exactly, there are a few clubs in this league, including the two that played out Saturday’s Severnside derby, who should be embarrassed by Ipswich’s success this season.

Ipswich, Plymouth, 3rd tier teams for years, a place where you can build, develop and tinker with a squad of players without fear of too much damage.

[lardy]

Re: Manager situation and the constant changing over recent years

My memory of ole is that it was chaotic - you never knew what side he was going to pick - it was like he threw all the outfield players names in a hat and chose the first 10 - never forget the jacks away when from memory he didn't pick mutch and noone who at the time were out best players (IMO)

That was a very long day with all the travel restrictions and the M4 being closed after the game coupled with living 9 miles away for the liberty����

I remember we finally got a clean sheet against villa (straight after the jacks actually), then he changed three of the back four and Hull tonked us at home. After that, we were a club who looked certain to go down.

[bobh]

Re: Manager situation and the constant changing over recent years

My memory of ole is that it was chaotic - you never knew what side he was going to pick - it was like he threw all the outfield players names in a hat and chose the first 10 - never forget the jacks away when from memory he didn't pick mutch and noone who at the time were out best players (IMO)

That was a very long day with all the travel restrictions and the M4 being closed after the game coupled with living 9 miles away for the liberty����

My opinion too.
The jacks were bricking it, thinking we'd do the "doube" over them, then he fielded that strange side, and we got tonked.

[Nobody's Rep]

Re: Manager situation and the constant changing over recent years

My opinion too.
The jacks were bricking it, thinking we'd do the "doube" over them, then he fielded that strange side, and we got tonked.

It was monks first game as their manager as well I think - hell of a new manager bounce 😭😭