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We scored 28 from open play last season. If we beat that I'll consider our attacking set up better than last season. We're currently on 18.Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
We won’t fix the amount of youngsters coming thru the ranks until we get a set style of play which is the same right thru from under 10s to senior team.
Also I would like to see the wingers swap over during the match to give the opposition a different problem. Good goal tonight though!
But you all got what you wanted, the goal tonight was playing the right way, most of the squad struggle with the tactic but we moved the ball well tonight. Not Man City but barely Dave Bassett either
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couldn't have worded it better
It was a very good goal, one of our best of the season. That said, “we moved the ball well tonight” is pushing it a bit -O’Dowda and Colwill improved things a bit when they came on and we were quite impressive in seeing out the six minutes of added time. However, there was still the usual basic errors when it comes to controlling the ball and giving and taking of what should be simple passes. We’ve beaten three sides which could be relegated which is not to be dismissed of course, but our record against the genuine promotion contenders tells us we’ll need a lot more than we’ve shown against Stoke, Bristol City and Huddersfield on Saturday.
I make it we've won 1 point against the current top 6, plus one excellent home win over Coventry and a steal at 10 man Preston as our only successes over teams above us. In 13 fixtures against the sides above us, we've lost 10.
Of our remaining 10 games we face sides currently above us on 5 occasions, plus Sunderland and Middlesbrough who occupy the two places immediately below us - we lost to one of those earlier in the season and braved the alamo to force a late win at Sunderland.
I'm not saying this to pour cold water on 3 wins on the bounce but as a bit of a reality check when it comes to even thinking of the playoffs. 73 points is around the magic number, though that could be lower this season as the top 4 pull away. Sunderland made 6th with 69 points last season but had 52 after 36 games.
We'd be looking at 6 wins from 10, with half of our games against sides we wouldn't fancy our chances against. We've done very well against sides towards the bottom, something unusual given how often we have struggled against teams down the bottom in the past, but I suspect that's our level. We don't look remotely capable of challenging the better sides in the division but are functional enough and generally get the job done against the worse sides. 7 of our last 10 games are against sides in the top half, plus the annual defeat at the Caravan Park. Anything we get from those games would be a bonus and a suggestion that we could look up next season.
you do realize there is a huge gulf in the top 6 we are a million miles away from prem material and i think most people accept this
we are in a perfect position to kick on for next season , the current players are doing doing a sterling effort with the new style Bulut has brought to the team wish fans would be more supportive on this forum
we lose Bulut at the end of the season we will lose momentum and back to long ball stuff , if people want that type of football get on a plane and watch Aberdeen !
I’m not sure what you have been watching. Ok yes let’s see some passing instead of long ball but how about this passing leading to something, like a shot at goal maybe?
This this and this - well said 👍
Exactly, I'm happy that we're not seeing as much aimless booting it up the pitch under Bulut, but let's not kid ourselves that it's disappeared completely - it's still there because often our players do not have the vision and/or technique to keep a passing movement going and so they launch it in the general direction of our obligatory big man up front.
Karlan Grant scored a stunner of a goal on Boxing Day against Plymouth, but we've not scored at the Canton End of the ground since then and last night suggested it will be a while before we do as a good chance for Meite from a Ralls corner which he barely got any contact on apart, it was all shots from distance which were either not struck well enough to give the keeper a problem or were various degrees of high and/or wide. There were also a few chances to get the killer second goal in the dying minutes which fizzled out through the usual mix of wrong options being taken or faulty technique letting the player concerned down.
One reason for the lack of goals at the Canton End in the last couple of matches is that under this manager we're not too bothered about chasing "killer" goals if we're a goal up, so if we're ahead at half time, those in the Canton End face a quiet time of it as far as action in front of them is concerned.
We are a decent top-half team, who were unlucky to lose two of our best players for most of the season, we are weak at left back and Strikers but have improved with just a few new players in a tough January window. We have a solid base for Bulut to build from next season.
A couple of posters predicting finishing 20th and below finishes are not going to be happy when we are solid in games picking up valuable points and moving up to tenth in the table
Who cares it's about scoring goals, there are not extra points for open play goals?
That has spent most of the season outside the top half.....
You obviously don't, but I am worried about the fact we've been less capable of opening up opposition defences than we were when we were in a relegation dogfight.
Who cares, we are 10th with some of the players coming back from injury.
No we are 10th, last year we were around 21st, we've lost the best players from last season, Kipre, Philogene, and Kaba, had a transfer embargo and have improved leaps and bounds, Bulut had one of the toughest jobs in the league.
We still lack quality Strikers and missed O'Dowda and Ramsey, but Colwill is learning and improving and Turnball is effective and adds stability.
You consider being less productive from open play, conceding more goals while having an unhealthy reliance on set pieces to pinch games an improvement, then that's up to you.
Make your mind up. You claimed we are a decent top half team. How would you describe West Brom?
We only score from set pieces though. We are extremely one dimensional. Set pieces should be supplementing our goal tally rather than being the main driver.
We still lack quality Strikers and missed O'Dowda and Ramsey, but Colwill is learning and improving and Turnball is effective and adds stability.
It's obviously our weak point mostly down to injury and Bulut can add players for next season to improve that area and at leftback.
If Ramsey and O'Dowda not injured we would be even higher placed, Bowler already looks to be picking up when he has better players around him, giving him more space to do his best work.
West Brom are a very good team fighting for promotion, a top five team, the top half starts at twelve.
Because our best-attacking players were injured and we didn't have a very good Striker.
A Manager has to make best use of the players he has available, which he did he adapted the team to stop conceding goals and score from set pieces!
It really, really isn't just down to that. It is our style of play. Being completely ineffective going forwards isn't a choice. We had more possession in a lot of games and don't have the first idea of what to do with it. We're the lowest scorers in the league. We don't have the worst forward line in the league with Bowler and Grant wide, Colwill at 10.
Most teams idon'thave a good striker, either. Bulut is getting away with murder at times on here.
So, what you're saying, is that Ramsey and O'Dowda apart, we've got pretty shit attacking options. I won't disagree with that, but I don't agree either that Bulut is making the best use of the attacking players we have, either. That's clearly nonsense.
He's making best use of the squad at his disposal of course he is, you know we would have gone down last season if it wasn't for points deductions and then lost our best players right?
So with a weak squad, losing Philo, Kipre, and Kaba who kept us up just, and a transfer embargo and a low budget you expect a new Manager to come in and turn us into Manchester City?
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