Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

[blue sky]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

[QUOTE=Citizen's Nephew;5497924][QUOTE=blue sky;5497901]Poor people, in Wales anyway, are more likely to vote for Labour than any other party.

Labour will have been in power in Wales for 27 years by the next election. In Wales Labour have won the popular vote and most seats in every Westminster election since 1923! Ask the people of Port Talbot what they think of Vaughan Gething and Stephen Kinnock. They will tell you that these men are failures and charlatans.

I wonder if either you or Citizens Nephew actually read the Mosalski piece in WalesOnline? The narrative is not complicated. VG took huge sums of money from a criminal constituent and has lobbied for this man, a repeat polluter. It stinks![/What do you want me to say? That the guy’s a c*nt? I’ve already given you a real world, true example of how the guy helped me .

I read the article (no mean feat on that crappy site) and a fair few chunks of the 185 BTL comments there were at the time I read it.

I’ve stated I have no party affiliation and that all politicians lie. It’s naive to think otherwise. You’ve accused me that ad hominem as being my default posting style whilst doing that to my comments.

I don’t know what the truth is anymore so I tend to trust nothing but my own experiences.

I’m sorry that I haven’t sufficiently assassinated the guy on here to your liking. Let’s just leave it.

And everyone knows that my posting style leans towards confident sarcastic or hugs and kisses depending on my mood and general oscillation between mania and depression. Today I’m on the cusp! Have this Llama to cheer you up. ��

Edit: #epicformattingfail

Everybody lies. Every day. This isn’t about lies.

It’s about the new FM accepting £200k from a constituent who has multiple convictions for dumping waste and then lobbying for that constituent’s business.

So VG accepted money that almost certainly was obtained through illegal activity then lobbied the WG to allow the donor to make more money.

You have been fulsome in your praise of VG for helping you and other Grangetown constituents. What did he do for these other people and how did you find out about these good works?

Or have you been lying?

Seems like a lot of Labour politicians in Wales are very concerned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-68596471

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

[QUOTE=blue sky;5497938][QUOTE=Citizen's Nephew;5497924]

Poor people, in Wales anyway, are more likely to vote for Labour than any other party.

Labour will have been in power in Wales for 27 years by the next election. In Wales Labour have won the popular vote and most seats in every Westminster election since 1923! Ask the people of Port Talbot what they think of Vaughan Gething and Stephen Kinnock. They will tell you that these men are failures and charlatans.

I wonder if either you or Citizens Nephew actually read the Mosalski piece in WalesOnline? The narrative is not complicated. VG took huge sums of money from a criminal constituent and has lobbied for this man, a repeat polluter. It stinks![/What do you want me to say? That the guy’s a c*nt? I’ve already given you a real world, true example of how the guy helped me .
Everybody lies. Every day. This isn’t about lies.

It’s about the new FM accepting £200k from a constituent who has multiple convictions for dumping waste and then lobbying for that constituent’s business.

So VG accepted money that almost certainly was obtained through illegal activity then lobbied the WG to allow the donor to make more money.

You have been fulsome in your praise of VG for helping you and other Grangetown constituents. What did he do for these other people and how did you find out about these good works?

Or have you been lying?

Seems like a lot of Labour politicians in Wales are very concerned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-68596471

I’ve tried to be decent and engage and discuss and debate. I’ve lost patience with you now and have better things to do. I won’t be engaging with you again. Ever. Go away.

[blue sky]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

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I’ve tried to be decent and engage and discuss and debate. I’ve lost patience with you now and have better things to do. I won’t be engaging with you again. Ever. Go away.

Oh my God NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! What am i going to do now that some person that I don’t know who I’ve been exchanging messages with for one day is abandoning me???

I’m going to contact my constituency MS Vaughan Gething to see if he can help. I’m not sure whether or not ‘rebuilding short-term fraught internet relationships’ is a devolved competency but if it is I’m hopeful that VG can help because, as you’ve already mentioned, he’s great at helping constituents.

Especially those who give him £££££££££££.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

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Oh my God NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! What am i going to do now that some person that I don’t know who I’ve been exchanging messages with for one day is abandoning me???

I’m going to contact my constituency MS Vaughan Gething to see if he can help. I’m not sure whether or not ‘rebuilding short-term fraught internet relationships’ is a devolved competency but if it is I’m hopeful that VG can help because, as you’ve already mentioned, he’s great at helping constituents.

Especially those who give him £££££££££££.

How are labour deliberately keeping people poor so they stay in power ?

That's what you are saying isn't it ?

I am not denying there's a load of sleaze going on but that's a different matter

[Tuerto]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

We are not. People of colour regard it as pretty important considering centuries of white privilege and oppression. You're a white dude, right? There is no we. I'm a white dude. My wife's mother was South African, Cape Coloured/Malay. We're bystanders in this. You're being kind of naive or deliberately contrary if you don't get it. There's nothing regressive.

We aren't saying it. Jim Bob just wants to believe that or spin it in a way that causes division. The only people causing that division are the ones who constantly tell us that it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter, for obvious reasons that don't need explaining if someone possesses half a brain cell. Things like this make Jimo and the rest of them angry, but they present themselves as being non-plussed by a black man doing something that not many Black people achieve or get the opportunity to achieve in this country. Their blase attitude to it (And everyone else should feel the same) attitude is a smpke screen for their own prejudices, it's a cover up, it's insulting, it's another attempt by White people to take control of other cultures or how people feel and completely dismissive of everything that has gone on before. Basically, it's right wing bullshit.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

We aren't saying it. Jim Bob just wants to believe that or spin it in a way that causes division. The only people causing that division are the ones who constantly tell us that it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter, for obvious reasons that don't need explaining if someone possesses half a brain cell. Things like this make Jimo and the rest of them angry, but they present themselves as being non-plussed by a black man doing something that not many Black people achieve or get the opportunity to achieve in this country. Their blase attitude to it (And everyone else should feel the same) attitude is a smpke screen for their own prejudices, it's a cover up, it's insulting, it's another attempt by White people to take control of other cultures or how people feel and completely dismissive of everything that has gone on before. Basically, it's right wing bullshit.

Well said.

[Dave Blue]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

I meant Black

Those you mention are of Indian sub continent origin

I have already mentioned the 200k issue could be his nemesis

No one is going to remember that in a month. Though WG did exceptionally well in Covid and so did the rest of the country with a thumping win.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

No one is going to remember that in a month. Though WG did exceptionally well in Covid and so did the rest of the country with a thumping win.

Exceptionally well in Covid?

Have you been listening to the enquiry???

I can't understand the final part of your sentence after the word. COVID?

[Dave Blue]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

Exceptionally well in Covid?

Have you been listening to the enquiry???

I can't understand the final part of your sentence after the word. COVID?

Wales gave Drakeford and friends a resounding win in the last election on the back of the handling of Covid. It bucked the trend of Labour going through a rough time in England.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

Wales gave Drakeford and friends a resounding win in the last election on the back of the handling of Covid. It bucked the trend of Labour going through a rough time in England.

But the enquiry had not started then.

Have you seen any of it??

Hasn't it changed your mind at all?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

I meant Black

Those you mention are of Indian sub continent origin

I have already mentioned the 200k issue could be his nemesis

I doubt it. The Welsh media -not unlike their Scottish counterparts - seem oblivious to the wrongdoings of their respective governments, and frequently adopt the 'move along, nothing to see here..' attitude..

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

I doubt it. The Welsh media -not unlike their Scottish counterparts - seem oblivious to the wrongdoings of their respective governments, and frequently adopt the 'move along, nothing to see here..' attitude..

All media, not unlike (fill in any country in the world here) seem oblivious to the wrongdoings of their respective governments.....

I'm not defending anyone here. They all lie. Why are we constantly bitching amongst ourselves and being divisive within our demographics when no government, anywhere in the world, tells us the truth?

[JamesWales]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

We are not. People of colour regard it as pretty important considering centuries of white privilege and oppression. You're a white dude, right? There is no we. I'm a white dude. My wife's mother was South African, Cape Coloured/Malay. We're bystanders in this. You're being kind of naive or deliberately contrary if you don't get it. There's nothing regressive.

There is a we, a collective social we, and in recent years there has been a push for people to define themselves by their race or skin colour, attributes they dont control and don't matter.

Seems you are one of those people. I suspect it wont end well.

The story is we have a new leader in Wales. Not his skin colour. That's part of his story of course it is, but its not THE story, yet sadly to many people it is.

[JamesWales]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

We aren't saying it. Jim Bob just wants to believe that or spin it in a way that causes division. The only people causing that division are the ones who constantly tell us that it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter, for obvious reasons that don't need explaining if someone possesses half a brain cell. Things like this make Jimo and the rest of them angry, but they present themselves as being non-plussed by a black man doing something that not many Black people achieve or get the opportunity to achieve in this country. Their blase attitude to it (And everyone else should feel the same) attitude is a smpke screen for their own prejudices, it's a cover up, it's insulting, it's another attempt by White people to take control of other cultures or how people feel and completely dismissive of everything that has gone on before. Basically, it's right wing bullshit.

Talk about not getting it.

Of course few people get to achieve that position! It's head of the frigging country! No one gets to that position easily. But it is who got the position thats important.

And as if to prove how divisive people like you can be, there you go making a series of negative stereotypes about people based on race. Your position seriously needs challenging more as you won't take us to a good place, your position is taking us back decades in race relations, retreating people into tribes instead of one society which we should aim for

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Why is the story about our new leader about his skin colour?

It's sad isn't it to see it described as regressive? It's for from it.

It's genuinely incredible to see Vaughn Gething making history as the first black leader of Wales, isn't it? It's like a fresh breath of air in Welsh politics, showing everyone that diversity and progress aren't just words—we're living them! And let's not forget, Gething isn't just any leader; he's one who's walked the challenging but rewarding path of a solicitor before stepping into this role. That's no small feat! It means he's grounded in real-world issues, understanding the intricate balance of law and life, which, let's be honest, is exactly what you want in someone steering the ship.

I had serious and important issues I was living and facing in Grangetown. They weren't just minor hiccups; they were major challenges that needed a thoughtful, effective response. And that's precisely what I got from Vaughn Gething and his team. It wasn't just about sending emails or making phone calls; it was about genuinely understanding the problem and actively seeking solutions. The kind of support I received was nothing short of outstanding, highlighting his commitment to really being there for the community.

This personal touch, this genuine willingness to help sort out significant issues, makes his leadership all the more admirable. It's one thing to lead from an office; it's another to be so connected and responsive to the community's needs. It shows he's not just about policies and politics; he's about people.

Isn't it inspiring to have someone like that at the helm? For young people in Wales, especially those of color, seeing Gething in such a prominent position must feel incredibly empowering. It sends a clear message: no matter your background, your dreams are valid, and your potential is limitless.

White posters carping about colour is not a good look. Describing it as regressive has overtones of discrimination. He won't like me saying it. I don't care.

Blimey, you make it sound as though Welsh Labour have just elected a new Messiah as our First Minister!