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It still narks me that it took the death of 7 aid workers (as opposed to twenty thousands Palestinian women and children) for the US to start changing its position on the conflict.
Meanwhile, out Government's position seems unchanged. Utterly bizarre.
The 20,000 Palestinian women and children killed by the IDF/IOF doesn't include a probable 10,000 more who are buried under the rubble.Originally Posted by stevo
Even if the focus is just aid workers, over 200 had been killed by the IDF/IOF before the murder of the WCK volunteers.
A casual glance at the TV news items or newspaper front pages gives a very clear idea of the relative value of Palestinian, Israeli and 'western' lives.
Sickening.
This is so true and spot on.
What a woman.
Genocide if 'we' don't like them; self-defence if we do!
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eaths-genocide
Agreed.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the war - and Israel absolutely should be criticised on many things - claiming "Hitler has won" is just another in a long line of outrageous statements from this old crank that demonstrates historical and contemporary ignorance, that offers absolutely nothing in the pursuit of peace.
I did agree with her on the recent comments about adult Harry Potter fans though.
I expect that will be a small crumb of comfort to her.
I hope so. She seems such a lovely lady.
Interesting that the Miriam Margolyes video (the quote came from it) was circulated by the newly formed Jewish Council of Australia:
The Jewish Council of Australia is a diverse coalition of Jewish academics, lawyers, writers and teachers. We are experts on antisemitism and racism. We were formed in response to the rise in racism and antisemitism in Australia. We are particularly concerned about the rise in neo-Nazi activities, fascism and far right extremism.
"The Jewish Council is an important initiative. The next generation of Australian Jews is resisting the pressure applied by the Jewish establishment to defend Israel and the Occupation. Refusing to toe the line comes at a real personal cost so I commend the individuals involved for their moral courage and commitment to peace and justice" Louise Adler AM
"In the current environment of global political extremes and the relentless devastation in Gaza, the manipulation of language by those desperate to justify the indefensible, is perhaps an inevitable response. Amidst these distortions, many of them racist in character and impact, it is refreshing and essential to see the emergence of new voices committed to challenging and remedying crass and obsolete opinions. The establishment of the Council importantly seeks to reset the record and provide perspectives informed by principles of accuracy, transparency, and justice." Emeritus Professor Andrea Durbach AM
Not really that interesting Jon. Not all Jews think the same.
Sounds like a political organisation mind. I note they are particularly concerned about the "rise of neo Nazis, far right and fascism". They are of course right to be concerned about such hateful ideologies but it seems a strange stance to be particularly concerned about them as opposed to Islamists if you ask me, but each to their own 👍
The daily massacre of children continues - even if the world's media, western governments and the Board Zionists are happily being distracted by Iran's retaliation.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-food-aid-drop
And to think our government are complicit in all this.
The enablers and apologists enable and excuse. Germany a prime example!
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/...-weizman/diary
Your mask slipped when you used the word 'Criticised' A bit weak for a state that is purposely murdering children. And your 'Level Headedness' and scoffing over this womans comments is just so condescending Jim. You may not agree but you put it across with a whiff of superiority, like you know best. You're a phoney.
There's no mask slipping. Israel should be criticised on many things.
I won't subscribe to the idea that everything is comparable to Hitler or the nazis though. I think that is contemporary and historically ignorant.
And there's no superiority about criticising the casual use of such comparisons. There kind of is in trying to imply you care more about murdering children mind.
Of course Israel is above international law
It's been building settlements on disputed land for decades
Mossad has been assassinating opponents for decades
Now it's bombing the crap out of gaza and the west is allowing it to continue to break international law every day
It's actually funny in a way to see the absolute melts from the Israeli army and government lying and making excuses every day for the massacres going on
Peter Lerner is a British Israeli now over there full time
It's like jackanory when he comes on
The worst is the swivel eyed nutter who is Benjamin Netanyahus personal spokesman
Absolutely crazy 🤪
Nauseating
Never mind who cares more about kids being blown up , start by accepting its a disgrace
Once you do that then you can argue about who cares the most
It's not difficult but for you shutting the christ up instead of trying to impress everyone into how clever you are is a huge step
Join the real world you remind me of grant shapps , slippery tart that he is
Of course kids dying is a ****ing disgrace. All wars are.
Posting ignorant bullshit about Hitler on a football messageboard and then patting eachother on the back about it doesn't make it less likely and frankly in the real world has probably only added to it.
I'm not trying to impress anyone. I'm just disagreeing with people like you when I think you are wrong. You and others have always struggled to accept that, possibly because you self censure all the time, I dunno. But most people would think crass comparisons to Hitler are rarely valid.
You can't claim something is like Hitler, then if someone disagrees claim they don't mind kids being killed. Grow up and get real.
Even if what happened on 7 October was the start of the problem, which it definitely wasn’t, the Israeli Government’s reaction to it is completely disproportionate and it was absurd to see David Cameron trying to make out that Iran’s attack on Israel on Saturday night, which in effect was as effective as a pop gun when it came to the amount of damage done, was some kind of outrage against the backdrop of what Israel has been doing to Gaza for months. Cameron and other mainstream political leaders in the west (and I include representatives of the leadership of the Labour Party in this) have grudgingly started to be critical of Israel’s actions, but they’ve fallen into place behind them again after Saturday - it will be interesting to see what the reaction is to the attack on Iran overnight.
It might be in this thread somewhere, but in the last week or so I read a post by James Wales comparing Israel to the various Arab states surrounding it in which he claimed that Israel was the only true democracy among them - essentially it seemed he was saying that they were more civilised than their neighbours.
In a way I agree, but with that superiority which James claims Israel has comes responsibilities. I try to think of greater examples of the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents in my lifetime by a so called civilised nation and struggle to come up with anything worse than what has happened to Gaza over the last six months or so. I strongly believe that those Western politicians who have been so quick to defend Israel over Gaza are out of step with the thinking of most of the populations of their countries in this respect.
As for comparisons with Hitler, they are nearly always made, and argued against, by people who did not live through his time in charge of Germany, so have no direct experience of what happened. However, what that holocaust survivor said to Suella Braverman about her use of language regarding immigration a few years back made a strong impression on me at a time when I was already thinking that recent times have been the closest thing I’ve experienced to living through the thirties as the Second World War approached - I don’t think people of my age or younger have ever lived through a time when Hitler comparisons were more likely to be made.
Try again
Israel is slaughtering kids
That's not something that should be " criticised "
It's criminal
And if Miriam Margoyles , a woman of Jewish descent is outraged then you should be too
But again your ego won't allow it
And so we row back, yet again to the crux of the issue:
Agree with Sludge, even when he decided who is or isn't Hitler, and it you don't you like seeing kids murdered
Let's just make it easier shall we? Israel? Hitler! Hamas? Nazis Boko Haram? The SS! Hezbollah? Nazis! Syria? National Socialism! Putin? Hitler for sure! National Conservative conference in Brussels? Totally Nazis. Saudi's in Yemen? Nazis. Burma and the Rhohingya? Nazis. Taliban? Hitlers. Islamic State? Nazis! Marine le Pen? Hitlerina. North Korea? Nazis. China locking up muslins? Hitlers.
Happy now? Doesn't get us anywhere does it.
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