Rishi Sunak has his pledges...

[JamesWales]

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Are the Tories really going to fight another election on migrants and scroungers? It's almost like they haven't been in power for 14 years.

It's such a shallow pitch as well, akin to legislating that Rwanda is really safe and nice. Now they are going to ignore doctors and legislate that people who have been deemed ill by a medical professional are actually healthy rather than even try to think about the causes and how to tackle those.

Same old story, **** experts, us public school twats know best.

**** experts, us public school twats no best apply here too? These problems usually exist outside of the party political system.

"Labour promises crackdown on benefits payments to inactive young people"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/liz-kendall-shadow-labour-party-tories-london-b2506599.html

[Eric Cartman]

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**** experts, us public school twats no best apply here too? These problems usually exist outside of the party political system.

"Labour promises crackdown on benefits payments to inactive young people"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2506599.html

How is that outside of the party political system? Yes labour are cosplaying as Tories because they are cynical and know idiots buy into this 'tough love' shite. Yes it makes me less likely to vote for them.

You seem to struggle with this. The basis of any political discussion with you is that the other person is a party political stooge. Time and time again I have disagreed with the labour party on particular issues, yet your bias doesn't seem to shift.. I guess because it's easier to argue against a strawman rather than a human.

What I said stands. The fact is that the Tory manifesto could be copy pasted from any election for the last 20 years - 'lousy benefit claimants and migrants are ruining your lives', unfortunately because of the amount of time that has passed since they were last in opposition, they have nobody else to blame for all these problems they are now uncovering in society.

Now, I seem to remember many posts where you were encouraging everybody to praise the government for 'record employment', had these lazy useless young people fallen off your radar at that point?

[JamesWales]

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No, what I'm saying is that problems exist and they need solving irrespective of the party in power.

If we have a large number of people essentially doing nothing that is not good. It's never been good, not good for them or us collectively. It's important to look into why and the I am almost certain you won't find much difference between the parties in power, or indeed any party in power.

[Eric Cartman]

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No, what I'm saying is that problems exist and they need solving irrespective of the party in power.

If we have a large number of people essentially doing nothing that is not good. It's never been good, not good for them or us collectively. It's important to look into why and the I am almost certain you won't find much difference between the parties in power, or indeed any party in power.

Is anybody even talking about looking into why? Dr Sunak said it himself, people aren't more ill than they used to be, nothing to see here. The policy is basically just play chicken with them until they can't eat/live to force them back into work. We can't involve doctors anymore because they are focussed on the health of their patient and that gets in the way of these scroungers being productive little drones.

Problem involving poor person = stick

Problem involving rich person = carrot

We are constantly punching down as a society and it's ****ing sad to see the acceptance of it.

[ninian opinian]

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Sunak is a pig of a man. Who in their right mind would take away the help to support disabled people into work? All in an attempt to pander to the right wing media and to hold onto a few votes.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/21/help-disabled-people-england-wales-jobs-axed-benefits-crackdown

[JamesWales]

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Is anybody even talking about looking into why? Dr Sunak said it himself, people aren't more ill than they used to be, nothing to see here. The policy is basically just play chicken with them until they can't eat/live to force them back into work. We can't involve doctors anymore because they are focussed on the health of their patient and that gets in the way of these scroungers being productive little drones.

Problem involving poor person = stick

Problem involving rich person = carrot

We are constantly punching down as a society and it's ****ing sad to see the acceptance of it.

I hate punching down. I'm really just saying that a dramatic increase in people being off work is not a good thing for anyone, and whomever is the government cannot ignore it and needs to look into the reasons etc. I was trying to point that out by saying the current oppositions wording on it all is pretty similar.

I blame Covid. Obviously. Was obvious the longer lockdowns and the rest of it went on, then the more society and it's norms and expectations would change.

I've known far more people off work with what essentially are mental health issues since covid than before.

[life on mars]

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His pledges are becoming more polished.

[jeepster]

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His pledges are becoming more polished.

Like a big fat turd with glitter and and a feather on the top.:thumbup:

[Eric Cartman]

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I hate punching down. I'm really just saying that a dramatic increase in people being off work is not a good thing for anyone, and whomever is the government cannot ignore it and needs to look into the reasons etc. I was trying to point that out by saying the current oppositions wording on it all is pretty similar.

I blame Covid. Obviously. Was obvious the longer lockdowns and the rest of it went on, then the more society and it's norms and expectations would change.

I've known far more people off work with what essentially are mental health issues since covid than before.

I'd imagine covid had a part to play but I think in time we will look back and attribute much of the rise in mental health problems to the increasing creep of big tech and the acutely designed addictiveness of smart phones, social media and really any app created for mobile. Can anyone pinpoint a time in history where there was a more drastic change in the way a large proportion of people live their lives? Short of a world war, I can't think of one.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Is anybody even talking about looking into why? Dr Sunak said it himself, people aren't more ill than they used to be, nothing to see here. The policy is basically just play chicken with them until they can't eat/live to force them back into work. We can't involve doctors anymore because they are focussed on the health of their patient and that gets in the way of these scroungers being productive little drones.

Problem involving poor person = stick

Problem involving rich person = carrot

We are constantly punching down as a society and it's ****ing sad to see the acceptance of it.

Very well said Eric. It's important to note that mental health is never going to be improved with a 'stick'. It's never been good for society. Living wages and the ability to afford to 'go' to work is overlooked here. I've never understood how wages can be so low that they have to be topped up by government benefits. It's disgusting.

Introduce a UBI and most of people's worries disappear. 'Work' is a misnomer anyway. It can be anything from minimum wage (slave) labour jobs to something rewarding and skilful. These f*cking soundbites by incompetent politicians are dangerous and irresponsible.

Decent work. Decent pay. Decent homes to live in. Not a return to Victorian work ethics. This is why I want a political party to be fighting for these things but there isn't one. Anywhere. They're all f*cking useless.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I'd imagine covid had a part to play but I think in time we will look back and attribute much of the rise in mental health problems to the increasing creep of big tech and the acutely designed addictiveness of smart phones, social media and really any app created for mobile. Can anyone pinpoint a time in history where there was a more drastic change in the way a large proportion of people live their lives? Short of a world war, I can't think of one.

Good post again Eric. You're on the money again. I'd add that our 'dependency' on internet communication within society will contribute to our ultimate downfall. Switch the power off and I can't even type this. It's so easy to cripple a society.

[Swiss Peter]

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Good post again Eric. You're on the money again. I'd add that our 'dependency' on internet communication within society will contribute to our ultimate downfall. Switch the power off and I can't even type this. It's so easy to cripple a society.

I've just come back from a hospital appointment that didn't happen because the 'system had gone down' across the whole hospital. I spoke to the very nice Doctor who told me there is no point seeing me because any records, and any further referrals etc were online, with no paper back-ups. Just thought it illustrated your point nicely!

[Wales-Bales]

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Good post again Eric. You're on the money again. I'd add that our 'dependency' on internet communication within society will contribute to our ultimate downfall. Switch the power off and I can't even type this. It's so easy to cripple a society.

It was always the intention.

[JamesWales]

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Good post again Eric. You're on the money again. I'd add that our 'dependency' on internet communication within society will contribute to our ultimate downfall. Switch the power off and I can't even type this. It's so easy to cripple a society.

I entirely agree with you both. I suppose I was specifically referring to COVID as a one off event, but that drift has been clear for years.

It's not just internet connections, it's the corresponding decline in human interactions which impacts our wellbeing, our tolerance and empathy and how we speak to eachother - as illustrated on this site as I don't doubt the conversations would be markedly more polite in person.

It's a serious issue and one which local authorities and the government(s) need to get a handle on, and it drifts into a great number of topics including working from home, cashless societies, being open to learning, experience, sharing ideas, mental stimulation etc and the net result isnt good.

We need human interactions on a regular basis and it is vital for our individual and collective wellbeing. Peter also cites a good example about of being overreliance on digital systems which taken to the extreme is also a national security issue.

I've seen this in public services in the last few years. My child's school doesn't even do proper parents evenings now. It's online. It's awful. Things have got much worse in my opinion and some rowing back is necessary

[life on mars]

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As always folk turn and spin a message into an tirade of hate .

He is right in what he points out .

GP 's are not the right group to issue sick notes 11 million sick notes is too many. They can detect sickness but not fit to work as that requires a whole raft of other considerations to take place only an employer can answer ,doctors haven't got that intel of job content etc ??..

Of course people with minor anxieties or slight disabilities would be better served and have a better healthy work life balance ( that pure common sense ) sitting at home thinking I am unwell is a dangerous thing for those with anxiety , exercising the mind in a work environment around people is the best for them in a work where they have contact and a social interface . Also not exercising say a strain back or leg is also not healthy either , light duties in work is the answer.

Anyways over to you Sir Kier & two home Ange .. ( remember two jag John )