One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

Imagine what we would say if any other club sacked their manager because while the results he got were more than decent the board decided too many of the wins he got were deemed as lucky so he had to go. Laughable.

Lots of clubs part ways with managers after mediocre mid-table seasons. Cardiff wouldn’t be the first by any means.

[Father Dougal]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

Lots of clubs part ways with managers after mediocre mid-table seasons. Cardiff wouldn’t be the first by any means.

Well I think we may finish 9th looking at the fixtures left. Worst case scenario is we finish 12th.

Considering we finished 21st last season and 18th the season before that's not too bad.

Huddersfield, Rotherham , QPR birmingham and stoke were the 5 who finished immediately above us last season. 2 of them have now been relegated, the other is in the bottom 3 and he other 2 got to safety this weekend after being in a relegation battle all season.

We leapfrogged all 5 and haven't been near the bottom 3 at any time. Maybe we've just been luckier than them?

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

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Imagine what we would say if any other club sacked their manager because while the results he got were more than decent the board decided too many of the wins he got were deemed as lucky so he had to go. Laughable.

Those people who want Bulut to leave are generally not unhappy with results but at the god awful football he's served up.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

We leapfrogged all 5 and haven't been near the bottom 3 at any time. Maybe we've just been luckier than them?

Over the course of the campaign we’ve been considerably luckier than any other City team I’ve witnessed during my 49 years as a supporter, so there’s a good chance we have been luckier than them.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

I think 1 step forward 2 back is a bit unfair even though I am really hoping we bring in a new and better manager.

It’s more like 1.1 step forward 1 back. There is progress but I don’t see Bulut as the best candidate for this club.

[llan bluebird]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

I am still torn.

I love direct lob it over the full-back with athletes chasing it down but accept to progress we have to keep the ball longer, although Bulut thinks that's the goal rather than the goal.

We need some sort of continuity as we probably need to move on nearly all our CM's except Ralls and you need to have made up your mind before the season ends to work out who has to go and start making those arrangements.

As its a results business, the 12~10th position is huge and his savior and anyone looking in from the outside would think we are insane as we are progressing, but it may be a chalice next season as "we were 21st last season" excuse has gone. Can he move us into the playoff reckoning ?

He is going to need 5 offensive players whilst making our disjointed bloated sqaud more streamlined and play the kids more.

I get the "believers"; we are on a journey, but Jesus this season was boring and if he stays he needs to understand we won't stomach that next season.

[Father Dougal]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

I am still torn.

I love direct lob it over the full-back with athletes chasing it down but accept to progress we have to keep the ball longer, although Bulut thinks that's the goal rather than the goal.

We need some sort of continuity as we probably need to move on nearly all our CM's except Ralls and you need to have made up your mind before the season ends to work out who has to go and start making those arrangements.

As its a results business, the 12~10th position is huge and his savior and anyone looking in from the outside would think we are insane as we are progressing, but it may be a chalice next season as "we were 21st last season" excuse has gone. Can he move us into the playoff reckoning ?

He is going to need 5 offensive players whilst making our disjointed bloated sqaud more streamlined and play the kids more.

I get the "believers"; we are on a journey, but Jesus this season was boring and if he stays he needs to understand we won't stomach that next season.

I'm old enough to remember when this board was full of posts saying we needed to modernise and learn to keep the ball better. No pleasing some people :hehe:

Dave jones got lots of stick for no plan b and his team being bottlers.

Malky football was boring but he was popular individually but this board was full of how boring his football was.

Ole was a shambles and the fans would often let him know he didn't know what he was doing.

Slade was mocked constantly.

Trollope doesn't need comment.

Warnock was popular in the ground but on this message board? As any thread on him will show there's plenty of comments on his style of play and poor transfers etc....

Harris was mocked.

Mad mick was mad mick and had many chants against him.

Morison and hudson? Mocked.

Sabri? Similar to bulut in that people had some respect for him achieving the job but no tears when he moved on.

Who has ever been popular here? Eddie mays barmy army?! Mind you if this message board was around then I'm sure Eddie would have had more than his fair share of critics about how lucky his team was or something.

[Father Dougal]

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I'm old enough to remember when this board was full of posts saying we needed to modernise and learn to keep the ball better. No pleasing some people :hehe:

Dave jones got lots of stick for no plan b and his team being bottlers.

Malky football was boring but he was popular individually but this board was full of how boring his football was.

Ole was a shambles and the fans would often let him know he didn't know what he was doing.

Slade was mocked constantly.

Trollope doesn't need comment.

Warnock was popular in the ground but on this message board? As any thread on him will show there's plenty of comments on his style of play and poor transfers etc....

Harris was mocked.

Mad mick was mad mick and had many chants against him.

Morison and hudson? Mocked.

Sabri? Similar to bulut in that people had some respect for him achieving the job but no tears when he moved on.

Who has ever been popular here? Eddie mays barmy army?! Mind you if this message board was around then I'm sure Eddie would have had more than his fair share of critics about how lucky his team was or something.

It's just fortunate we have had so many universally popular owners to unite the fan base over the last 40 years isn't it....... :hide:

[Dave Blue]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

Those who are disgruntled, like myself, probably feel - as one fan put it - that the improvement is built on sand. I cannot recall winning so many games in which we have been outplayed and should have lost. I fear next year will not be the same and teams may rediscover their shooting boots’ against us, as Middlesbrough did on the weekend. On the style of play, passing around is all well and good but we hardly ever do that to move forward purposely. The plan is to somehow stay in the game to 80 minutes then we will think of having a go. It’s utterly depressing.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

Imagine what we would say if any other club sacked their manager because while the results he got were more than decent the board decided too many of the wins he got were deemed as lucky so he had to go. Laughable.

It's waking the dead on here sometimes

[truthpaste]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

With a half decent goal scorer we would have been comfortably in the play-offs right now. To get six places outside the play-offs when your full back is top scorer is no little achievment. Away results have been way above expectations.

Our 2024/25 list should include players in the mold of:-

* Mel Sutton to provide some steel in front of the back four/ five.
* Willie Anderson to provide quality balls from wide positions.
* Michael Chopra to guarantee 18+ goals.
* Jason Koumas to make the most of free kicks and the ability to run at defences and chip in with 12+ goals.
* Mike England to provide experience and defensive management for the back line.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

With a half decent goal scorer we would have been comfortably in the play-offs right now.

Sorry, but there's absolutely no evidence of that, whatsoever. We are 12th in terms of goals scored from number of shots taken.

If your suggestion that a lack of goals has cost us a shot at the playoffs, then consider that it's not that we don't take our chances, it's that we concede too many and don't create enough. Since December we're the 2nd lowest scorers in the Championship. That's not we're poor at converting our opportunities

[truthpaste]

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Sorry, but there's absolutely no evidence of that, whatsoever. We are 12th in terms of goals scored from number of shots taken.

If your suggestion that a lack of goals has cost us a shot at the playoffs, then consider that it's not that we don't take our chances, it's that we concede too many and don't create enough. Since December we're the 2nd lowest scorers in the Championship. That's not we're poor at converting our opportunities

I'll agree to disagree, we are currently just 4 wins from being in the play-offs. Even feeding off scraps (as teams like Burnley have done for a number of seasons), does any City fan really believe that over 46 games a fit Kieffer Moore (for eg) wouldn't have converted at least 4 of our draws to wins?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: One step forward, two steps back Cardiff finish their home season with another defeat.

I'll agree to disagree, we are currently just 4 wins from being in the play-offs. Even feeding off scraps (as teams like Burnley have done for a number of seasons), does any City fan really believe that a fit Kieffer Moore (for eg) wouldn't have converted at least 4 of our draws to wins?

I've read it all, now. 5 draws is an incredibly low number of draws over the course of a season. The reason that figure is so low is because of the number of games we've turned around and won that would normally have been draws.

Complaining about not turning enough draws into wins is just hysterical. Maybe if we'd turned some of our defeats into draws we might have had more of a chance, but then so many have been by more than a goal, comebacks have been very unlikely.

[truthpaste]

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I've read it all, now. 5 draws is an incredibly low number of draws over the course of a season. The reason that figure is so low is because of the number of games we've turned around and won that would normally have been draws.

Complaining about not turning enough draws into wins is just hysterical. Maybe if we'd turned some of our defeats into draws we might have had more of a chance, but then so many have been by more than a goal, comebacks have been very unlikely.

Even when we had players who were approaching being natural goal-scorers we carved out individual points that looked unlikely, Leeds away (3-3) being a good example. And the confidence factor of a decent goal scorer getting a goal in the first 15 minutes and that confidence flowing down to all eleven players can't be underestimated. We've strived for most of this season without that.

Having said that, play-off success would have been disasterous; I am in my 58th season of following City and while I want to see them in the Premiership then we need to be ready, off the pitch as well as on it.
So let's trust that when we get success, we can sustain it.