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  • #91
    Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

    Originally posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
    I agree that wingers should be able to go inside or outside the full back. If you always do one or the other you're making it easy for the defender. Unless you're ambidextrous you'll always have a stronger foot but it's not difficult to coach two-footedness if you start early enough.
    I'd also like to see wingers swap sides during matches from time to time to keep defenders on their toes.

    Absolutely. Systems coaching started becoming more of a thing in the Sixties onwards, with Germans and Dutch leading the way. But Brazil showed that systems can be open and fluid and that if you have higher skill levels it provides an alternative way of breaking down systems.

    Until the last year or so, systems coaching could win you games, but now at the top end we are seeing the converence of systems, multi skilled players and analytical statistics. The thicker, less clever coaches like Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Alan Cork, Wayne Rooney who cannot think analytically can now be outsmarted by smarter coaches who can adapt shapes and systems, or altering players positions or instructions to counter the opponent’s “patterns of play”.

    But now I think we seeing a new wave, with the advent of coaches armed with laptops, advanced statistics, real-time data lakes of information, ProZone heat maps and slow introduction of low grade AI, computers are increasingly used by top clubs to show coaches where the patterns of play are from opponents. At the top end, but it will percolate down, coaches and managers will analyse less and be responsible for decision making, having been provided real-time analysis to them.

    What impact will this have on players? Well New Zealand in rugby for the last ten years, and Ajax / Barcelona in academies (and recently Klopp, Guardiola and Arteta) talk of “solving problems”. Rather than telling wingers what do do, they are trying to teach better quality decision making by players themselves, based on what they see in front of them. Less playing to systems and more playing to opportunities / weaknesses.

    This new dawn favours ambidextrous players because it nullifes instructions such as “always push him wide” or “attack this guy’s left foot” because if the in-game or half-time analysis picks up repeated patterns of behaviour you can be nullified if you are playing to predictable instructions. If you are an ambidextrous winger that sees the full back is showing you outside you hit him on the inside because you are playing to opportunity / weakness. You will always outsmart the AI / pattern recognition analysis being fed to the coach.

    I am surprise the ambidextrous player is a magical concept. Dutch Coerver Coaching has been around for decades and the players with the best ambidextrous footwork have often been coached using Coerver Coaching methods. It isn’t hard. You can go on courses or buy the DVDs. If you’re coaching kids it is golden and you see a massive difference in technical output of players at a young age.

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    • #92
      Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

      Originally posted by Tuerto View Post
      And success would be play offs for the majority-I'm guessing?

      so then, if Bulut is given another crack at it, then can anyone see us progressing up the league table? I'm not going to touch on the football in this pot, the style of play etc, the entertainment value or things that get our backsides off the seat. I'm more interested in his system, his very rigid system.

      It's a non comital Midfield, flat, no penetration from central areas, no movement unless it's across the midfield line, a midfield who get the ball wide as soon as possible. Our attack play is from a wide position, which tells me that bulut likes to stretch the opposition, allow an attacking midfield player a tiny bit of freedom, but only when we have the ball. He doesn't want anything to do with playing through teams. We all know this stuff anyway.

      I do believe that Bulut has a system of play, players need to be in certain positions at certain points of play during a game, i think that he likes discipline and hard work (nothing wrong with that) And i believe that he really thinks that his system can work, call him deluded or confident if you like, although sometimes there's not much between both those character traits and it can serve some people well.

      I can't even watch his style of football anymore, it bores me rigid. I may not be interested, but i do believe that Bulut has method, and if he can bring in players who can buy into his work ethic, discipline, shape and incredibly rigid tactics, then i think that we could move up the table. I believe that the Championship is open to teams who do things differently or who force a style of play on to their opponents because it lacks quality.

      I'm not endorsing his football, i can't stand it, but like i said, he has a system, and it's very rigid, games are very similar. I think that with his type of signings and a group of players drilled to shit and back that it could see us climbing the table.
      He will not get past October if we don’t have more than 15 pts and his tactics are unchanged.

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      • #93
        Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

        Harsh on Cork to lump him in with the other three

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        • #94
          Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

          Can he succeed? Not with dross he serves up. I can't see anything changing next season if he's in charge. He got lucky picking up so many points, without the luck we would probably be going down .

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          • #95
            Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

            Originally posted by Keyser Soze View Post
            Absolutely. Systems coaching started becoming more of a thing in the Sixties onwards, with Germans and Dutch leading the way. But Brazil showed that systems can be open and fluid and that if you have higher skill levels it provides an alternative way of breaking down systems.

            Until the last year or so, systems coaching could win you games, but now at the top end we are seeing the converence of systems, multi skilled players and analytical statistics. The thicker, less clever coaches like Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Alan Cork, Wayne Rooney who cannot think analytically can now be outsmarted by smarter coaches who can adapt shapes and systems, or altering players positions or instructions to counter the opponent’s “patterns of play”.

            But now I think we seeing a new wave, with the advent of coaches armed with laptops, advanced statistics, real-time data lakes of information, ProZone heat maps and slow introduction of low grade AI, computers are increasingly used by top clubs to show coaches where the patterns of play are from opponents. At the top end, but it will percolate down, coaches and managers will analyse less and be responsible for decision making, having been provided real-time analysis to them.

            What impact will this have on players? Well New Zealand in rugby for the last ten years, and Ajax / Barcelona in academies (and recently Klopp, Guardiola and Arteta) talk of “solving problems”. Rather than telling wingers what do do, they are trying to teach better quality decision making by players themselves, based on what they see in front of them. Less playing to systems and more playing to opportunities / weaknesses.

            This new dawn favours ambidextrous players because it nullifes instructions such as “always push him wide” or “attack this guy’s left foot” because if the in-game or half-time analysis picks up repeated patterns of behaviour you can be nullified if you are playing to predictable instructions. If you are an ambidextrous winger that sees the full back is showing you outside you hit him on the inside because you are playing to opportunity / weakness. You will always outsmart the AI / pattern recognition analysis being fed to the coach.

            I am surprise the ambidextrous player is a magical concept. Dutch Coerver Coaching has been around for decades and the players with the best ambidextrous footwork have often been coached using Coerver Coaching methods. It isn’t hard. You can go on courses or buy the DVDs. If you’re coaching kids it is golden and you see a massive difference in technical output of players at a young age.
            don't forget our man Flints AI software package too:thumbup:

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            • #96
              Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

              😂

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              • #97
                Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

                Originally posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
                Who is to say we wouldn't have a relegation battle if Bulut stays? Like others, I feel top half has been a false position for us and, statistically at least, virtually all stats point to a season of struggle, wins apart.
                :hehe::hehe::hehe: Does this not apply to every team in every league in the world?

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                • #98
                  Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

                  Originally posted by OurManFlint II View Post
                  :hehe::hehe::hehe: Does this not apply to every team in every league in the world?
                  Yes of course the tables are only wrong when Eric the half - glass empty decides :hehe::hehe::hehe:

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                  • #99
                    Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

                    Originally posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
                    Yes of course the tables are only wrong when Eric the half - glass empty decides :hehe::hehe::hehe:
                    Is a half glass empty the same as a glass half empty ? I don't think so.

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                    • Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

                      Originally posted by Keyser Soze View Post
                      I didn’t read it as a dig actually. I think the problem is that Bulut maybe wanted 4-3-3 up his sleeve, and Diedhou could work with inverted wingers playing 1-2’s off him, but I think the combination of personnel didn’t click.

                      I think Diedhou is a superb fox-in-the-box and a good technician. But you see his body language and work rate drop when he doesn’t see enough ball. I genuinely believe he is one of those players where if the team gets plenty of supply into the box he would hit 20 goals a season. A cheap version of Robbie Fowler. And similarly if no supply is provided he drops out of the game. Probably a little mental weakness in there.
                      It wasn't a dig at you anyway :thumbup: just some fella having a bad morning wanting to have a pop for some reason :hehe:

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                      • Re: If Bulut Stays-Can He Succeed?

                        Originally posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
                        Is a half glass empty the same as a glass half empty ? I don't think so.
                        Yes for the purpose of taking the p!ss out of Eric's negativity :hehe:

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