Originally Posted by
Rjk
strange post. I'm not aware of any legitimate historians that attribute the fall of the greek or Roman empires to a shifting away from conservative values to liberalism, and certainly not linked to any changes in attitude towards homosexuality. is this some bizarre fantasy of your own making?
I can however think of some examples of empires whose cultural conservatism at least has certainly played a part in their own downfall.
take the great Qing for example . for most of recorded human history China has been the most powerful and technologically advanced advanced society at any given time. However the Qing were an extremely conservative Confucian society, that just became more and more obsessed with maintaining and repeating the old ways, be it art, poetry, or the way their society was run.
While they were looking to maintain their past, Europe was undergoing the industrial revolution. when reforms needed to be made in their society, they were usually blocked by conservative Confucian elders. their obsession with an idealised past ultimately brought about their downfall