Reply With Quote[QUOTE=jeepster;5513676]Sounds like a Trump speech.Originally Posted by truthpaste
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[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513606]Words of a crazy person.
[QUOTE=jeepster;5513676]Sounds like a Trump speech.
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513672]Facts eh!
You were given an archaeological fact re King David, and what did you do? Completely ignore it.
You've been given two short (15m) documentaries and a movie with more than enough facts from history & science to provide the answers you say you are seeking, and what do you do?
Run for the hills!
You have the worst case of denial I've witnessed in quite a while.
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513681]This is nonsense
If the rubbish you have attempted to suggest is evidence it would be taught in schools
Show me photos of God, the voice of God, miracles actually filmed as they happen
Actual physical evidence that stands up not he said she said
Now , here , in the present
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513695]Sludge all he will do is a quote from the book of wisdom.
A crock of crap.
[QUOTE=jeepster;5513707]Man United won the fa Cup today
They beat Man City
100000 people saw it and millions worldwide
Loads of witnesses to a factual event
That's the sort of thing I am after
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513717]In fact you are after affirmation of your current position. Newsflash! You will never get it.
Here is a drive-thru sized clip > 4 Proofs < to give you an idea of the details you have to extinguish to arrive at your chosen position.
As Gofer alluded, the facts could slap you across the face like a wet fish, and you still wouldn't sniff anything
have the Christians shot you yet? do you tell your muslim chums their religion is gobshyte ?
Yep
It's all nonsense
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513723]Facts and evidence please
In fact you are after affirmation of your current position. Newsflash! You will never get it.
Here is a drive-thru sized clip > 4 Proofs < to give you an idea of the details you have to extinguish to arrive at your chosen position.
As Gofer alluded, the facts could slap you across the face like a wet fish, and you still wouldn't sniff anything
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513732]Your own line arrives after 40 seconds.....blindfold productions
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513723]There was no postmortem
In fact you are after affirmation of your current position. Newsflash! You will never get it.
Here is a drive-thru sized clip > 4 Proofs < to give you an idea of the details you have to extinguish to arrive at your chosen position.
As Gofer alluded, the facts could slap you across the face like a wet fish, and you still wouldn't sniff anything
eyewitness accounts can not be trusted
people tell lies
So no proof.
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513733]This is a film
Evidence please
No books , quotes , rumours , stories handed down
[QUOTE=jeepster;5513741]He's babbling on about evidence......just stories ...2000 years old
It's 2024
If God exists , if he's omnipresent and all powerful then it's going to be easy for him to prove that to us all
And not rely on his Christian army to prove it to us .... many of whom find God when they are desperate and vulnerable
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5513750]1. Even though your comment was the reason for this thread, it currently seems pointless providing you with any further responses.
2. At 8am this morning you had posted the latest comment on no less than 19 conversations on the first three pages on this board; for the sake of participants on the other 18 then I hope you are actually engaged in some capacity in those, because on this one you are all mouth and no trousers, paying no attention to anything that doesn't agree with your artificial world view.
3. When you are serious, sober and no longer deliberately 'deaf' in this type of dialogue, then start a new thread and I will address you in it, but if you haven't upgraded to two way dialogue by that time then don't waste your time and mine.
4. This thread will go on for those who have respected the need for two-way communication and others who may be just munching popcorn.
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5513760]Artifical world view
😂
Says the man who thinks God is everywhere , all the time , can do anything and whose son still lives 2000 years after died
I will stay in my world thanks and leave you to it
When you find the evidence to prove God exists then let me know
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Science slowly catches up; unfortunately still can't:-
1. Explain for certain how life began.
2. Explain for certain how the Universe came to be.
3. Explain WHY we are here.
The image is too blurred to read.
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The same version of an easier to read table than above.
Comparing Science & the Bible NOW & 2000+ years ago.
*Tip, if you dig into the verses, use a reference like Blue Letter Bible to see the full meaning of the original Hebrew/ Greek words.
Still not convinced sorry.
Atleast i did read it.
Wish I hadn't bothered, but I looked at the first one.
Isaiah 40:22 talks about a circle not a sphere.
God sits above the circle of the earth. The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them.
Like Discworld!
Claiming the bible agrees with Terry Pratchett (not scientists) is taking you further into the pit of magical gibberish than before!
The sphere has four corners according to Revelation!
I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
I'm also interested to know when science thought the world was travelling on a big animal...
No what you have done , again , is swerve
I don't want to discuss with you the ultimate creation until you have dealt with the evidence I have asked for
Why , how etc......
You don't prove the existence of God by failing to provide , when asked , evidence of his existence and deflecting to who was the ultimate creator
Leave that
Give me evidence of the existence of God, here , now
If I have more nonsense that's it from me
Some interesting points from yourself and Jon, language and perception changes re the human authors, even over a few decades, words like 'wicked', 'gay', 'safe' etc can mean something very different to what they did when I was born.
But with Isaiah, we are looking at around 280 decades ago!
This article addresses a few points on this:-
The reference to the “circle of the earth” in Isaiah 40:22 is the source of much speculation. Some see this phrase as evidence that God revealed to ancient Israel something of the physical layout of the universe long before anyone had discovered that the earth was round. Later, as scientific discoveries were made, the Bible was shown to be incredibly correct, recording truth that only God could have known. According to this view, the Scripture is demonstrated to have a divine origin by revealing “scientific secrets” before they were commonly known.
The Bible speaks of the rising and setting of the sun (as do we), but it is simply the language of appearance and not intended to communicate scientific accuracy (see Psalm 113:3.) The Bible also speaks of the “four corners of the earth,” yet no one thinks that the Bible is teaching that the earth is square (see Isaiah 11:12). Proverbs 30:4 speaks of the “ends of the earth,” an expression we still use today to refer to the remotest extremes. The problem with the “scientific secrets” approach is that it reads scientific precision into certain passages that seem to fit our modern scientific concepts while ascribing phenomenological language (language of appearance) or metaphor to those passages that do not. To be consistent, it would seem that all such passages should either be interpreted literally or metaphorically. If they are all interpreted literally, then there would be far more scientific inaccuracies than accuracies or “scientific secrets.” If they are all interpreted metaphorically or phenomenologically, then each of the passages would still make sense in its original context. Isaiah 40:22, with its reference to the “circle of the earth,” is just one example.
The first point to understand regarding the “circle” is that the word (Hebrew root chug) does not mean “sphere” but rather refers to a circle or sometimes a dome. A circle is flat like a disc or a dinner plate. Those who hold to the “scientific secrets” approach often think “sphere” when they hear “circle.” In the Old Testament, the word is used once as a verb in Job 26:10: “He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness” (ESV). If one looks at the earth from space, there is indeed a circular boundary between light and darkness. However, the NIV captures more of the original intent and avoids the use of the word circle altogether: “He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness.” If one is looking out at the sea, the horizon does appear to be circular.
The same Hebrew word is used three times in the Bible as a noun. In Job 22:14, God is described as walking in the “circuit of heaven” (KJV). Most modern translations translate it as “the vault of heaven.” If taken literally, this verse would be scientifically inaccurate because there is no vault over the earth. The universe goes out billions of miles in all directions, but, in staring up at the sky on a starry night, we do see the sky as a circular dome overhead with definite boundaries. In Proverbs 8:27, “Wisdom” says, “When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep” (ESV). The NIV translation communicates the meaning of “drawing a circle on the face of the deep”: “I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep.” There is no “circle” drawn on the sea, but there is a horizon that has a circular appearance as one looks out on the sea.
Isaiah 40:22 says, “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.” Even if “circle of the earth” is taken literally in this verse, it does not say that the earth is a sphere. Actually, it does not even say that the earth is a circle. The “circle of the earth” seems to refer to the heavens that appear to be a circular dome overhead. The parallelism of Hebrew poetry would indicate that the “circle of the earth” is the same as the “canopy” being stretched out. The heavens are pictured as a tent for the multitudes of earth to live in.
In Isaiah 44:13 a variant of the word is translated in the ESV as “compass”: “The [human] carpenter stretches a line; he marks it out with a pencil. He shapes it with planes and marks it with a compass. He shapes it into the figure of a man, with the beauty of a man, to dwell in a house.” Here, the compass is an instrument used for drawing a circle, and such instruments are still in use today.
The word circle was an apt way to describe the horizon and the heavens overhead. The horizon goes out in all directions, and the sky overhead seems to meet it, forming a circular dome. This is purely the language of appearance.
So if we are also to believe that science was saying this in the same era (it wasn't), then wouldn't your same rule of language also apply?
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