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Were they favourites in other countries or are the bookies' odds reflective of Blighty-based wager?Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
Whatever the answer, England have never been closely associated with creativity, verve and flair. And they don't really have a winning mentality.
One observation about this tournament, even though I'm judging it on TV. As someone who applied for tickets twice and didn't get a sniff, it is good to see stadia which seem to be packed to capacity, and mainly with national team supporters rather than neutrals, corporates and football tourists (like me). It sounds like they got the ticket allocations right and it is making for some great atmospheres. As I say, only my impression from my armchair!
Still not seen a game, didn’t even know England were playing today. Least interest in a tournament ever!
FRIDAY JUNE 21st
SLOVAKIA v UKRAINE. 2pm
POLAND v AUSTRIA. 5pm
NETHERLANDS v FRANCE. 8pm
The atmosphere in the grounds has been incredible. I guess part of it is its easy to travel to Germany for most of the nations there so seems great support for most nations. Just makes the pain of Wales missing out even worse, would love to have partied with the Dutch orange fans and would have been our 2nd game against Austria today.One observation about this tournament, even though I'm judging it on TV. As someone who applied for tickets twice and didn't get a sniff, it is good to see stadia which seem to be packed to capacity, and mainly with national team supporters rather than neutrals, corporates and football tourists (like me
Yes, and isnt it refreshing that the crowd doesnt spend 80mins trying to get a Mexican wave going.One observation about this tournament, even though I'm judging it on TV. As someone who applied for tickets twice and didn't get a sniff, it is good to see stadia which seem to be packed to capacity, and mainly with national team supporters rather than neutrals, corporates and football tourists (like me
Shame it's a really good one, lots of teams could win it and it's generally been a good standard, some amazing goals and plenty of them, teams shooting from outside the box and scoring in most games.
Yes overrated here, not in the other countries I'm sure if they've watched their first two games, they are not a last-eight team unless they get lucky with the draw.
not much on the bbc news about the game
True and he is trying to fit all of them in even if it's a different position, it's basics he's a shit Manager Thomas Frank would have them with six points and five goals to nil.
Fair play to Walker though he did very well to get to that pass even though the defender didn't spot him.
They've got two teams there and with five subs they should be smashing teams in the second half, they are a total shambles Southgate hasn't got a clue.
Southgate might just end up like Alf Ramsey and win it by accident.
If my memory serves me right (I was only 14), Ramsey started the competition in 1966 with Greaves & Terry Paine playing. I believe both got injured, so instead of playing the other wingers in the squad, he went with what was called at the time The Wingless Wonders.
He didnt bring his top scorer back (a thing Greaves never forgave him) and the rest is history.
Southgate is being pressured into change, so if they go on and win it, its not good management, its actually a weakness in Southgate and his beliefs in coaching
You cant win a World Cup by accident 😂
If England win this tournament, then Southgate will deserve all the credit. If they disappoint, he will get sacked.
In 66 Alf Ramsay had all strikers fit for the final, and despite Coming under pressure to reinstate Greaves, he stuck to his guns and chose Hurst and Hunt. The rest is history, and AR deserved all the credit he got.
Greaves was first choice going into the finals and he was fit.
Just looked it up, Hurst had 5 caps, Greaves 51
Thats right. So Ramsay deserves the accolades for sticking with Hurst. It would be similar if England were to get to this final, and Kane is fully fit after an injury, but GS picks say Watkins, who scores the winning goal. All credit would have to go to the manager and his selection.
Great goal for Baumgartner, and RB Austria take the lead.
I was kinda rooting for Poland, as it would have been good to see the side who knocked us out, to do well at the finals.
So, you will concede that Ramsey found his best TEAM by accident (Greaves getting injured) !
Yes he stuck with it, but only after outside pressure
He tinkered in 1970 as well, by taking Bobby Charlton off !!
That went well didnt it
He was getting pressured to reinstate Greaves, not stick with Hurst.
France all that warm especially without Mbappe? Griezmann 33 and past his best. Thuram and Dembele quite average so far. Defensively sound but not clicking up front. Will probably win now with those three scoring.
They look nothing like favorites without Mbappe, although they should be ahead as how Rabiot and Griezmann managed to cock up that chance I have absolutely no idea.
Spain still streets ahead of any other team I've seen, with Germany second right now.
It's funny how some of the games you really look forward to end up leaving you feeling flat. This is one of them.
Agreed on your top 2, though it'll be interesting to see if we can add Portugal to that group after their game against Turkey tomorrow.
Typical Premier League officials taking an age to make a decision
Yup, VAR has genuinely been fast and unobtrusive in this tournament, until the usual Prem suspects get involved.
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