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Seems the 81 year old and 78 year old think the American people want to hear them discussing their golf handicaps. I didn’t watch the debate, but it seems it went as badly for Biden as many thoughts it would. There are calls for a special conference to be held where the Democrats can replace him as their candidate following his hesitant and, at times, incoherent performance in the debate.
I've thought since Biden won the Democrat vote to run again it was a silly decision.
His age was always going to be a factor and he seems to be deteriorating in front of the TV cameras.
Trump is an incoherent, lying, sex pest cuunt but actually appears strong where Biden looks weak and vulnerable.
If Biden doesn't step down he'll hand the USA to Trump.
Your final sentence is the big worry.Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
The Democrats must realise that now and do something about it, but it feels like no-one in the party wants to be the one to speak out and make the first move.
Switcheroo incoming, it's as clear as day!
I feel like Biden and the Democrats choosing to nominate him again will go down as one of the great mistakes of American politics.
Sure, it will swing back in four or eight years and I don't buy the argument that Trump is dangerous or anything, but from a Democratic party perspective, and from his personal perspective what the hell were they thinking?
I've always been a bit back and forth with US politics and would likely be a floating voter if I lived there, but there is literally zero chance I would vote for Biden. He clearly i(and sadly) is unfit.
You'd have to believe he was in charge for that to be true.
I thought that whoever is the current president - they have the automatic right to go for a second term un opposed. So if Biden says he wants to go again - there is nothing they can do, apart from go for an amendment where they can go through a process to get him removed. Which is what they really need to do and very quickly.
As it stands Trump will be the next President, the only plus points being - he doesnt have dementia. Kamala Harris was supposed to be the next big thing - purely on the basis she is black and female (dont let David Tennant know - he has a problem with these types of women) , but Harris has not taken the opportunity - mainly perhaps as she is not up to the job of replacing sleepy Joe
Newsom was chosen over two years ago, maybe even longer.
Apart from when he incited an insurrection attempt against his own government, where there was a gallows erected for his own vice president
I think this is right. But it does need senior people in the party to do this and quickly, and most of them are also pretty old and have known Biden for decades.
There is no good outcome from the US election.
There is barely a less bad outcome.
The Democrats had a chance to nominate someone other than Biden - but have left it too late now.
I will be amazed if Trump doesn't win. And that is a sickening thought!
I watched a reaction piece with what I assumed were four Democrats discussing the debate. Three of them were crestfallen and talked of the need to replace Biden, while the fourth, the one who tried to make out it hadn't been too bad, ended up saying that the guy who said I did not have sex with a porn star, when everyone knows he did, won
He's a nice enough old chat, but way too old, he can't remember what he just said or get to the end of the sentence he is trying to say without forgetting what the sentence was about.
As for golf, I doubt he could bend down to put the ball on the tee, yet alone swing a club.
The fact that the first debate was held so early in the electoral cycle might give the Democrats time to change their candidate and still have two or three months to try to "normalise" things, but I suspect you're right, the damage has already been done.
Trump's rallies have helped him, he could fire out his lines more sharply than Biden could. Apparently Biden spoke a lot better at something (after the debate, but it's too late by then. Like winning the third place playoff.I watched a reaction piece with what I assumed were four Democrats discussing the debate. Three of them were crestfallen and talked of the need to replace Biden, while the fourth, the one who tried to make out it hadn't been too bad, ended up saying that the guy who said I did not have sex with a porn star, when everyone knows he did, won
This does seem like a win for Trump.
Edit: just searched to see where Biden was, and it was a Waffle House so don't think that counts for much
The whole of the US and the best they can come up with is these two, Jesus Christ what is going on!
It looks like luck is on their side
I had to turn it off after about 30 minutes because of the visceral response it was inducing in me.
Trump is a lying braggart and insurrectionist. How he is not in jail for January 6 and squirreling away classified documents, I have no idea. He will set the mob loose (literally). But last night he dialed it down, was lucid and seemed calmer and even reasoned if you didn't realize he was just lying all the time. I fear for democracy and the free world if he is elected.
Biden has done a half decent job - the economy is strong, he's tried his best at foreign policy. But last night he was lost. He seemed nervous, he looked almost on the verge of sleep at times and he was incoherent. His performance was terrible. He looked like a very aged relative agitatedly rambling in his favourite comfortable chair at Christmas (Thanksgiving here).
Sunak and Starmer?
Aye just as bad!
If that’s true and there are all these powers behind the throne really running things, why go through all of the rigmarole of having Biden run in the first place - what does anyone gain from it?
I’m very anti Trump and would have voted for Biden with few concerns in 2020, but I couldn’t vote for him this time. I always assumed he would only serve four years and have had concerns about him this time around throughout the last year or so - he seems to have got worse recently, but not as bad as he was with that Medicare answer last night.
Got to say Trump was clever in the way he seemed to notice that Biden was tanking badly and so, in essence, just let him get on with it rather than wade in against him. That said, Trump talked his usual bollox when it was his turn and some of the things I’ve seen from him in the last month or two makes it look to me as if he’s suffered like Biden did last night - once cognitive decline sets in, it’s hardly going to go away in a few days like a cold does.
Are you saying it will be a Trump v Newsom election in 2024?
If it has all been pre-planned 'they' have made a dogs breakfast of putting 'their' candidate up against Trump. WEF fail?
Or that Newsom is a good bet to be the Democratic candidate in 2028?
In which case you are just parroting what half the US commentariat have been saying for years.
Or maybe it was Biden who was chosen and there is no Swiss Baldrick with a cunning plan - and you are just giving us your latest dose of Gluey bollux? I wonder....
Biden is unfit.
Trump is also unfit for very different reasons
Seems that most senior Democrats are rallying behind him. Will be interesting to see if polling changes in the coming days.
One interesting outcome may be a more moderate Trump. If suddenly lots of potential centrist voters come on the scene he will want to sweep them up too. I think we saw that with his Roe v Wade answers of late, where he is saying it's gone to the states to determine and how that is what the US traditionally does etc and that is a pretty sound argument whether you agree with it or not
Timing is everything. It's too late to primary, but just in time to switcheroo.
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