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Sorry Labour NHS broken isnt a solution .
Cross party approach.
Royal Commission After
The above two should get Labour to a 5 year exuse .
400 seat majority gives any government a solution to fix .
All that's needed is to increase spend yo 14% per individual to align our care with our European partners.
So raise the tax .
Social care was broken when Thatcher privatised the care systemOriginally Posted by life on mars
Taking it back into government control would require enormous investment
I am sure labour and the liberals would love to do that but there is a large flock of voters of tory and reform who don't like taxation so labour were stumped .....if they had mentioned a penny increase in tax to improve the nhs and social care the tory press and their reform cousins would have crucified any chance of that
For me the only fair way is to put it's funding into its own department, working closely with the NHS. This fudge of having it under council control is ridiculous
People complaining about paying loads of council tax but not getting bins collected regularly, when the reality is the vast majority of the budget is going on care.
You'd think that one centralised body would have a better chance of getting food deals with the private care operators. I bet some of them are absolutely rinsing certain councils at the moment.
With all this wisdom you have here, maybe call sir keir or born guessing and let them of your brilliant ideas which no one has ever thought of before
Or as the cowbridge Tory does, default to type and blame thatcher
She's dead
Did you cry ?
It's the funding of that idea that's the problem
Yeah I agree. Easier for them to try and hide it, so they can let the councils take the flack
Well the liberals put it to the forefront and good for them
But the reality is the provision is appalling
The country either funds the NHS and care
Or hundreds of thousands of people suffer
It's sadly laughable when hardcore voters who over the years have refused to back increased investment into care suddenly start blaming the councils when it's their relatives and loved ones need support ......which thanks to them isn't there
Boris was full of it , saying he would fix the system
I think Starmer should push the boat out , increase funding to the NHS and Care , integrate them as you suggest and let people see the results
Then if at the next election hes criticised for raised taxes he can say ......OK let's go back to the shambles we have now
What do you want ? An improvement in services for everyone who's going to need it ?
Or 3 holidays abroad because you have voted for low taxes again?
If starmer or whoever is in charge does the same as before then the blame is clear
The nhs employs approximately 1.6 million people, in your opinion how many should it employ? , bearing in mind the nhs is something like the worlds 5th largest employer behind, us state army, Chinese army, india state railway and Walmart
Enough to get the job done
There's probably enough already to get the job done. That's the easy bit..
Well we clearly need more doctors and nurses
So they have to be paid for somehow
How many doctors and nurses have we got?
And how many do you think we need?
Do you think just throwing money at it will solve the problems or do you think there are others we need to consider, thanks in advance for you answer
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There really isn't.
I don't think I have read something on here that I agree with more in quite a while. Even the leaders during debates were describing local councils as if they fix potholes and collect bins, the majority of people have literally no idea that half the budget is eaten up by adult social care itself.
It needs separating, people need transparency about which taxes pay for what to have faith in the system.
What would fix it in your opinion? Thanks in advance for your answer
I believe the UK has the only 'free at the point of delivery' health system in the Western world. While other nations have moved on to better, more practical and efficient models, we've been stuck in a political, dogmatic argument since 1945. It can be improved, but I don't think it can be 'fixed'..
It is top heavy too many non medical staff.
I do not mean cleaners ect but admin and bosses.
If you privatise social care , remove decent employment rights and the pride of a sense of belonging , pension , uniform and respect and replace that with private companies who are motivated by profit and pay poor wages
Then you get the care system we have
And it isn't till tory voters who supported all this crap are faced with their parents or loved ones being given such shocking care that the cries come out
Too late then though
Why are other systems more efficient or practical? If you are talking about just a change of funding model, it's a zero sum game in the sense that if someone pays less, someone else either pays more or doesn't get the care they would get currently.
I think the NHS does suffer from being being funded by general taxation in the sense that people don't really think about how much they personally contribute and therefore the value they have got over the course of their lives.
I don't think fundamental change should be considered during the kind of crisis we are seeing right now as that would usually result in bad irreversible knee-jerk decisions.
How many is too many? I work in data/system improvement in a LA children's services department and if we just had front line staff, they wouldn't have a clue what they were doing most of the time.
That i can not answer, that is for a more intelligent person than me.
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