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Thread: England v Siopis

  1. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Joking aside Eric, i wonder if a manager exists that can make this England squad play fast flowing, attacking football, whilst also being more solid and savvy at the back ?
    Being a Welshman, i couldn’t give a rats arse, and quite enjoyed watching that result tonight, but on a footballing front, it really is a mystery how a squad with so many so called brilliant players, can continually put in below par, boring, lack lustre performances.
    They have had dream draws in the latter stages of recent big tournaments, but have failed to get over the line. Long may it continue 😂
    It's the premier league hype nonsense

    These so called brilliant english players ......are not that brilliant

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodybluebird View Post
    When was the last time an England side played as slickly as Greece did at times tonight ? To get to the Euros final playing like they did can only mean that Southgate made a pact with the devil. A bit like Robert Johnson at the Crossroads. Nothing else makes any sense seeing the way these over-hyped players perform as abjectly as they do nearly every game.
    More like Benny at Crossroads!!

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    It's the premier league hype nonsense

    These so called brilliant english players ......are not that brilliant
    Nail on head.

  4. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    It's the premier league hype nonsense

    These so called brilliant english players ......are not that brilliant
    I don't necessarily buy into that. The level of depth and talent they have - especially young talent - is incredible. I can't think of a team that regularly underachieves as heavily as England do.

    As for Siopis, last night proved what I've long thought of him. A good player when the pace of the game is slower and less chaotic. But a duck out of water in the frenzied, physical intensity of a typical Championship game.

  5. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Maybe it's time for England to have another foreign manager. I hear there's a former Besiktas manager who is out of work currently who made Southgate's tactics look like Kevin Keegan's.
    I'll write a reference..

  6. #31

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    An incredibly motivated Greece team, a group of England players who probably don’t give a toss about the Nations League plus an interim manager who lost his mind and didn’t change an obviously failing tactic for 70 minutes, don’t think there’s too much to read into it.

    Siopis is a decent player in a team where he’s got more forward looking midfielders around him and he can focus on winning the ball back and offloading it quickly to more skilled players. I’d love to see him alongside Robertson and Colwill rather than Ralls and Wintle for a few games.

  7. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead View Post
    I don't necessarily buy into that. The level of depth and talent they have - especially young talent - is incredible. I can't think of a team that regularly underachieves as heavily as England do.

    As for Siopis, last night proved what I've long thought of him. A good player when the pace of the game is slower and less chaotic. But a duck out of water in the frenzied, physical intensity of a typical Championship game.
    I think 🤔 you might have bought into it too ?

    If you are exposed to it ....the Premier league and all the pundits and analysis ....then you will be swayed into thinking that , in your words , the depth of talent is incredible

    But Spain, Germany , Italy etc all produce amazing players

    I think it's great to see England get done by the likes of Greece personally

  8. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Bluebird View Post
    An incredibly motivated Greece team, a group of England players who probably don’t give a toss about the Nations League plus an interim manager who lost his mind and didn’t change an obviously failing tactic for 70 minutes, don’t think there’s too much to read into it.

    Siopis is a decent player in a team where he’s got more forward looking midfielders around him and he can focus on winning the ball back and offloading it quickly to more skilled players. I’d love to see him alongside Robertson and Colwill rather than Ralls and Wintle for a few games.
    Englands main problem was they tried to shoehorn Palmer, Foden and Bellingham into a lineup that made zero sense.
    Man for man 0 Greece players get into the England squad, anywhere near it really.

    England have always been too scared to drop top players if they don't fit into the team and it continually holds them back

  9. #34

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    What England need is a manager who has a really well defined football philosophy -knows how they want to play and will just pick the best players to fit into that way of playing, even if that means dropping Foden and Palmer or whoever else is the media darling of the day.

    What I'm saying is England need Neil Warnock.

  10. #35

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    The influx of foreign players into the Premier league has vastly reduced the number of decent home grown players playing at the top level.
    There's far too much money attracting these players to these shores, much of it from Sky.
    I'd love to see a discussion on Sky where someone questions whether they're part of the problem, but it won't happen.

  11. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    The influx of foreign players into the Premier league has vastly reduced the number of decent home grown players playing at the top level.
    There's far too much money attracting these players to these shores, much of it from Sky.
    I'd love to see a discussion on Sky where someone questions whether they're part of the problem, but it won't happen.
    But haven't England (and Wales for that matter) done a lot better in major tournaments in recent times than they did previously?

  12. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    But haven't England (and Wales for that matter) done a lot better in major tournaments in recent times than they did previously?
    Yes, at age group levels too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    What England need is a manager who has a really well defined football philosophy -knows how they want to play and will just pick the best players to fit into that way of playing, even if that means dropping Foden and Palmer or whoever else is the media darling of the day.

    What I'm saying is England need Neil Warnock.
    Pep at the end of the season.

  14. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    Pep at the end of the season.
    Yes, he would be my second choice.

    Or someone like Klopp, or Bielsa - someone who will play their way.

    Of course the international managers get far less time with their teams than club managers do, so an intricate system like pep's, or aggressive press like Klopp might be harder to implement as well. That's why it should be a more simple tactical approach, if the FA get Sharon on board first I'm sure they can convince him.

  15. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Englands main problem was they tried to shoehorn Palmer, Foden and Bellingham into a lineup that made zero sense.
    Man for man 0 Greece players get into the England squad, anywhere near it really.

    England have always been too scared to drop top players if they don't fit into the team and it continually holds them back
    This nonsense of how many Greek, Slovenian or Danish players etc would get into the great England team is a concept I first heard put forward by Alan Shearer about 5 World Cups ago. Only he was referring to French and Italian players, the likes of Pirlo and Zidane ! It was ridiculous then and is ridiculous now. It's a team game, the best exponents of which adopt seamless patterns, without relying on individual brilliance. Yes, truly great players like Maradona or Messi have the ability to win games on their own but they are few and far between.

    England have been turned over by too many 'lesser' teams over the last few years (Greece, Iceland, Hungary) to prove differently. And every team they came up against at the Euros will feel they could and probably should have beaten them. England are simply NOT a team.

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    Re: England v Siopis

    Things are looking up, we've been massively underperforming, but we have some decent players we need a Manager who can see the full picture get the best out of them, and buy a decent Striker in January.

  17. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    It's the premier league hype nonsense

    These so called brilliant english players ......are not that brilliant
    They reached the final of the last two Euro's, they're pretty good

  18. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    They reached the final of the last two Euro's, they're pretty good
    Please explain in one sentence how such a god-awful team reached this years Euro final playing like they did. I'm still scratching my head.

  19. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodybluebird View Post
    Please explain in one sentence how such a god-awful team reached this years Euro final playing like they did. I'm still scratching my head.
    With good fortune, but also they came back from a goal down in every knock out game which suggests a strength of character. God knows I don't want to give them credit, but you don't make successive finals by being shit.

  20. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodybluebird View Post
    Please explain in one sentence how such a god-awful team reached this years Euro final playing like they did. I'm still scratching my head.
    Well....

    There's a statistic out there somewhere regarding England v major international teams in Euro & World Cup finals. I think it shows that in the last 30 years they have only beaten a 'top' team, ie one ranked as high as England or higher - just once.

  21. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    With good fortune, but also they came back from a goal down in every knock out game which suggests a strength of character. God knows I don't want to give them credit, but you don't make successive finals by being shit.
    I suppose your right, you can't fault their character. In their favour, the name England does have an aura about it and many teams (inc Wales) are beaten before a ball is kicked. Mind you, this is becoming less frequent as smaller teams are not only giving them a run for their money but have started to beat them more regularly....and I love it !

  22. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    They reached the final of the last two Euro's, they're pretty good
    Well they are better than us but come on .....

  23. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodybluebird View Post
    Please explain in one sentence how such a god-awful team reached this years Euro final playing like they did. I'm still scratching my head.
    I'm not really sure but I guess a combination of a reasonable draw and world class players who, even if they're not playing well, can produce a moment

  24. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    But haven't England (and Wales for that matter) done a lot better in major tournaments in recent times than they did previously?
    Wales have certainly benefited from an increase in the number of teams that can qualify for finals.
    England should've won Euro 2020, but I'm glad they didn't as their fans were bellends. Last year they got lucky several times, but it eventually ran out when they played someone decent.

  25. #50

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    Jude Bellingham is the only world class player England have and Harry Kane was up to a couple years ago. All the rest are over hyped by amateur football commentators.

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