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  1. #76

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    I think he’s done well, it’s been a huge turn around from BulutBall. Last two games have been disappointing. I think we give him a couple more games to turn it back around.

  2. #77

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    Thanks TLG and Sludge i needed a laugh,
    your put downs to each other class.
    Spider arranging in your attic,stick to bothering fish feeble minded fool.

  3. #78

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    Give him until January, see how we are then.

  4. #79

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    It’s more concerning who the clowns running the show would bring in, track record being about the worst in the championship probably.
    Stick with Riza until end of the season, see how he does? Then make decision in the summer

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandywarhol View Post
    It's a no from me.
    He failed to close down the midfield.
    Rinomhota & Siopis on the bench not used
    Dave Jones once said "if you can't win a game, don't lose it"
    Riza is to inexperienced for me
    I don't think the introduction of Rino and Siopis would have made a difference to the end result. Blackburn were canny and had done their homework. They knew if they closed down Colwill and Tanner, which they did, then we wouldn't look like scoring, as we had no recognised striker on the pitch. They came with a game plan and executed it perfectly.

  6. #81

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    TLG has been all guns blazing for Sludge ever since he teased him about not being able to drive

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    To me Rise has been great for the players and has encouraged them to play more naturally. However after a run of good results other sides have got us sussed. Whereas Luton were on times brutal by comparison assisted by a shit referee Blackburn kept our two more clever ball players out of the game. In doing so we looked clueless.

    To some extent our shortcomings at forward have been masked by the results but I believe it is now clear that we have to take a different approach. The main problem is that without a centre forward we have no outlet in the final third.

    I don’t see Rise being able to get the team into the way of playing that if things look like they’re going tits up they can change the approach.

    We need a more experienced manager. Someone who can get a new tune out of our indifferent fiddle. My preference is Tony Mowbray but keep Rise as a coach because he seems to be able to communicate well with the players and they respond to him. But we also need to sort out our defence. On times it’s extremely poor, giving the ball away, not winning second balls. Even ball watching a la Luton.

    Tbf Luton are a shit side as Middlesbrough clearly showed. How we lost to them god knows.

    Rise isn’t the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Former Labour leader View Post
    It's a NO for me.
    (Unless of course we come back 2nd half)
    No for me.

    He got the new manager bounce and showed a glimpse of what might be with sensible progressive tactics, but I suspect that is over now by the looks of it.

    Time for a proper manager but it was an interesting experiment.

  9. #84

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    Quote Originally Posted by light up the darkness View Post
    To me Rise has been great for the players and has encouraged them to play more naturally. However after a run of good results other sides have got us sussed. Whereas Luton were on times brutal by comparison assisted by a shit referee Blackburn kept our two more clever ball players out of the game. In doing so we looked clueless.

    To some extent our shortcomings at forward have been masked by the results but I believe it is now clear that we have to take a different approach. The main problem is that without a centre forward we have no outlet in the final third.

    I don’t see Rise being able to get the team into the way of playing that if things look like they’re going tits up they can change the approach.

    We need a more experienced manager. Someone who can get a new tune out of our indifferent fiddle. My preference is Tony Mowbray but keep Rise as a coach because he seems to be able to communicate well with the players and they respond to him. But we also need to sort out our defence. On times it’s extremely poor, giving the ball away, not winning second balls. Even ball watching a la Luton.

    Tbf Luton are a shit side as Middlesbrough clearly showed. How we lost to them god knows.

    Rise isn’t the answer.
    I love the idea as Riza staying as coaching but just can’t see it, he’s been the manager and the players like him, and they seem to want him to have the job, and he wants the job, I think a new manager keeping him just confuses the lines.

  10. #85

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    It’s more concerning who the clowns running the show would bring in, track record being about the worst in the championship probably.
    Stick with Riza until end of the season, see how he does? Then make decision in the summer
    I’m edging this way. At least he knows where it went wrong. Unless it goes pear shaped before Christmas I’d say stick with him for the short term.

  11. #86

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    Quote Originally Posted by light up the darkness View Post
    To me Rise has been great for the players and has encouraged them to play more naturally. However after a run of good results other sides have got us sussed. Whereas Luton were on times brutal by comparison assisted by a shit referee Blackburn kept our two more clever ball players out of the game. In doing so we looked clueless.

    To some extent our shortcomings at forward have been masked by the results but I believe it is now clear that we have to take a different approach. The main problem is that without a centre forward we have no outlet in the final third.

    I don’t see Rise being able to get the team into the way of playing that if things look like they’re going tits up they can change the approach.

    We need a more experienced manager. Someone who can get a new tune out of our indifferent fiddle. My preference is Tony Mowbray but keep Rise as a coach because he seems to be able to communicate well with the players and they respond to him. But we also need to sort out our defence. On times it’s extremely poor, giving the ball away, not winning second balls. Even ball watching a la Luton.

    Tbf Luton are a shit side as Middlesbrough clearly showed. How we lost to them god knows.

    Rise isn’t the answer.
    Good post

  12. #87

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    I say he should be given until Christmas.

    What Light up the Darkness said is spot-on. I wonder how Etete will perform, presuming we'll see him on the bench after the International break.

    I do have a feeling that the real ITK people know that Riza hasn't got the job, though based on what Rob Phillips was saying and how he structured his conversation on 'Call Rob.'

  13. #88

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Oddie View Post
    I say he should be given until Christmas.

    What Light up the Darkness said is spot-on. I wonder how Etete will perform, presuming we'll see him on the bench after the International break.

    I do have a feeling that the real ITK people know that Riza hasn't got the job, though based on what Rob Phillips was saying and how he structured his conversation on 'Call Rob.'

    Give him the job till Xmas, then it's a yes or no

    By then he will have been through a few ups and downs and that will be a test of how he might be ax a long term manager

    It's utterly stupid hearing our fans jump from he's crap to he's great to we must have a full time appointment ...in just a few weeks

    Within the next 2 weeks we should be near enough to a full compliment of players....and the squad like him ....then given we are clearly not in a position to go out and spend money to get 11 new faces ....it makes perfect sense to give him a fair crack of the whip until the Coventry game is out of the way

    We really are not an attractive club to manage at present and the idea that people would walk over hot coal to come and sort out the mess here is ridiculous

    He's not the messiah but he's done OK.....get this next block of games done and if we are moving away from the death zone give him the gig v

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Oddie View Post
    I say he should be given until Christmas.

    What Light up the Darkness said is spot-on. I wonder how Etete will perform, presuming we'll see him on the bench after the International break.

    I do have a feeling that the real ITK people know that Riza hasn't got the job, though based on what Rob Phillips was saying and how he structured his conversation on 'Call Rob.'
    Suggesting that Etete is somehow going to start playing and turn this around is utterly baffling.

    He has had enough chances and yet people still think that he’ll succeed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole View Post
    That's fair...but the "unlucky" part?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff View Post
    Suggesting that Etete is somehow going to start playing and turn this around is utterly baffling.

    He has had enough chances and yet people still think that he’ll succeed here.
    Because they still cling on to the notion he's still 'young and is learning''.
    Personally, I don't think he's got what it takes to be a Championship striker. I hope he proves me wrong, but I just don't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub View Post
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    Yes he hit a nerve for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Football isn't always like you want it to be

    A few years ago Forest employed the son a bluebird mad ex top level ref

    He got them promoted

    He was sacked

    Now forest are in the top six , a division higher

    Absolutely nobody expected that

    And amateur football pundits who think they no something about the game are almost always floating on clouds

    You must have made 4 u turns this season already

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    Stick to spider arranging in your attic - I'd missed that one, not bad

  18. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Oddie View Post
    I say he should be given until Christmas.

    What Light up the Darkness said is spot-on. I wonder how Etete will perform, presuming we'll see him on the bench after the International break.

    I do have a feeling that the real ITK people know that Riza hasn't got the job, though based on what Rob Phillips was saying and how he structured his conversation on 'Call Rob.'
    Etete isnt the answer, sadly. I'd love to be proved wrong though. Personally, I'd prefer Reindorf on the bench than Etete, after the international break. If he Etete, is fully fit that is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    Because they still cling on to the notion he's still 'young and is learning''.
    Personally, I don't think he's got what it takes to be a Championship striker. I hope he proves me wrong, but I just don't see it.
    100%

  20. #95

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    Etete could easily be a L1 striker. That makes him at the moment a far better option than Kanga.

    I don't know if he will succeed in the Championship but until January or until Davies is fit he's a better option than Meite and the continuing to waste a bench position on Kanga is baffling.

    I agree Reindorf should also be on the bench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68 View Post
    Etete isnt the answer, sadly. I'd love to be proved wrong though. Personally, I'd prefer Reindorf on the bench than Etete, after the international break. If he Etete, is fully fit that is
    I think we would almost all like to try Reindorf, but they must know him better than us, especially Purse.

  22. #97

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Etete could easily be a L1 striker. That makes him at the moment a far better option than Kanga.
    My arthritic granny could easily be a striker for the local pensioners' zimmer football league. I think that makes her a better option than Kanga.

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    We were abysmal under Bulut, the football and results have been a lot better under Riza and Im actually enjoying going again, for the first time in years really.

    There's been some poor tactical decisions from him; the subs at Bristol, playing with no striker even when it clearly didnt work the week before and dropping Chambers but on balance Id give him the job until the end of the season. We shouldnt let recency bias cloud our thinking.

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    I'd take Riza, Robins or Mowbray. I don't fancy Bilic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardiff Ultra View Post
    We were abysmal under Bulut, the football and results have been a lot better under Riza and Im actually enjoying going again, for the first time in years really.

    There's been some poor tactical decisions from him; the subs at Bristol, playing with no striker even when it clearly didnt work the week before and dropping Chambers but on balance Id give him the job until the end of the season. We shouldnt let recency bias cloud our thinking.
    It was a good game. We played well at times, and they punished us a bit with good passing through us. However, we agreed that at least we gave it a go and played some nice football. It's a difficult job without a Striker. Let's hope Davies and Robinson aren't out for too long.

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