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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Maybe the leaders of the Ku Klux Klan and The Proud Boys were busy?

    Gaetz is surely the face of Trumpism Mk 2? A lovely piece of work!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gaetz

    Gaetz was one of two members (of the Florida House of Representatives) to vote against a Florida bill criminalizing revenge porn, in 2015, after having successfully blocked the bill previously.

    In 2020, Gaetz was accused of sex trafficking and having sexual relationships with minors. After an investigation, the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) decided not to charge him, though Gaetz remains[needs update] under investigation of the House Ethics Committee.

    In June 2021, Gaetz was one of 21 House Republicans to vote against a resolution to give the Congressional Gold Medal to police officers who defended the U.S. Capitol on January 6.

    In March 2023, The Intercept reported that Gaetz had hired Derrick Miller as his military legislative aide. Miller spent eight years in prison after he was convicted of murdering a civilian during his army service in Afghanistan.



    On the plus side he's married to someone called Ginger Luckey Gaetz.
    A Republican senator claimed he was showing pictures of all the women he claimed to have had sex with on the House floor while telling other members he took crushed ED meds with Red Bull chasers so he could "go all night".

    Honestly, AG? You couldn't make this up. And yet there are some on here who will no doubt claim it's an "interesting" appointment or he's "decent".

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Not really, no, although it's also not the most important trait in a politician. But I think Elon Musk seems a decent enough bloke and comes across fairly well in interviews. I've never met him so certainly not going to slag off the personality of someone I haven't met or had any engagement with.
    If you think someone who called Vernon Unsworth a "pedo guy" is decent. What does that say about your judgement?

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    Is Tulsi the most attractive US female politician ever yes or yes ? Credit to Joe Biden BTW for his welcoming of the NAZI to the WH yesterday, the smile across his and his wife's face confirmed that he and his wife had voted for OMB as a big F U to the Cabal who Orchestrated his downfall, his immediate endorsement of Mrs Harris caught them off guard and forced their hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
    You prove me wrong? Fair play, you're deluded as well as an idiot.

    In practically every thread you enter, including this one, you proffer some contrarian (usually vaguely rightwing) opinion and in short order a plethora of people hand your ass back to you on a plate. But you're too hubristic to even realize it so you plough on and on ad nauseam trying to retrieve a lost argument. You post in repeatedly in practically every thread. Why? Do you think you're omniscient?

    Anyone who defends Trump is by definition an idiot. Is that clear enough for you? Now jog on, idiot.
    You calling anyone hubristic is another fine example of the idea that people's understanding of irony decreases the more time one spends in the United States. The lack of self awareness is almost a commendable trait in fairness.

    Your big issue - and you aren't alone in this, the internet is full of such people - is your total intolerance for any opinion that differs from you own. You simply cannot handle it and you lash out and offer insults only. I suspect you are too long. The tooth to improve in that respect

    Let's look at what I said here for example..

    1 / Musk seems a decent enough guy. Thats a matter of opinion but I think he does come across mostly well. Certainly comes across as a far nicer guy than you. Either way, it's an opinion.

    2 / it's an interesting appointment. It sure is that. That's why people are talking about it.

    3/ He may find finding efficiencies in the public sector far harder to achieve due to the nature of the impact on the vulnerable / society generally.

    4 / Nonetheless there are undoubtedly some savings to be made / new ways of working.

    5 / The appointment of Pete Hegseth in defence sees rogue.

    ⬆️ These are all perfectly reasonable statements. Certainly not idiotic. If you got some physiotherapy on that jerky knee of yours you may even find you agree with half of it.

    I had been hoping Arizona was a closer vote so that you would have been personally more responsible, as surely you could only have sent a few hundred votes to the Republican side using your unique people skills!

    "If you don't vote the same as me you are an idiot" Good one! The rallying cry of electoral losers since the Greek republics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Maybe the leaders of the Ku Klux Klan and The Proud Boys were busy?

    Gaetz is surely the face of Trumpism Mk 2? A lovely piece of work!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gaetz

    Gaetz was one of two members (of the Florida House of Representatives) to vote against a Florida bill criminalizing revenge porn, in 2015, after having successfully blocked the bill previously.

    In 2020, Gaetz was accused of sex trafficking and having sexual relationships with minors. After an investigation, the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) decided not to charge him, though Gaetz remains[needs update] under investigation of the House Ethics Committee.

    In June 2021, Gaetz was one of 21 House Republicans to vote against a resolution to give the Congressional Gold Medal to police officers who defended the U.S. Capitol on January 6.

    In March 2023, The Intercept reported that Gaetz had hired Derrick Miller as his military legislative aide. Miller spent eight years in prison after he was convicted of murdering a civilian during his army service in Afghanistan.



    On the plus side he's married to someone called Ginger Luckey Gaetz.
    Funny how Trump sees the guy who's under investigation by his own party for underage sex and thinks - that's my guy.

    Whatll probably happen is that he won't get, but whoever does is a dreadful choice but slightly less dreadful by comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Its value has fallen from Ł44b to Ł9b and also I've come off it
    The Guardian might be leaving too, cos they keep getting fact checked by the Community Notes teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    You calling anyone hubristic is another fine example of the idea that people's understanding of irony decreases the more time one spends in the United States. The lack of self awareness is almost a commendable trait in fairness.

    Your big issue - and you aren't alone in this, the internet is full of such people - is your total intolerance for any opinion that differs from you own. You simply cannot handle it and you lash out and offer insults only. I suspect you are too long. The tooth to improve in that respect

    Let's look at what I said here for example..

    1 / Musk seems a decent enough guy. Thats a matter of opinion but I think he does come across mostly well. Certainly comes across as a far nicer guy than you. Either way, it's an opinion.

    2 / it's an interesting appointment. It sure is that. That's why people are talking about it.

    3/ He may find finding efficiencies in the public sector far harder to achieve due to the nature of the impact on the vulnerable / society generally.

    4 / Nonetheless there are undoubtedly some savings to be made / new ways of working.

    5 / The appointment of Pete Hegseth in defence sees rogue.

    ⬆️ These are all perfectly reasonable statements. Certainly not idiotic. If you got some physiotherapy on that jerky knee of yours you may even find you agree with half of it.

    I had been hoping Arizona was a closer vote so that you would have been personally more responsible, as surely you could only have sent a few hundred votes to the Republican side using your unique people skills!

    "If you don't vote the same as me you are an idiot" Good one! The rallying cry of electoral losers since the Greek republics!
    Like I said, and you ignored. You're boring. And an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
    Like I said, and you ignored. You're boring. And an idiot.
    Good one!

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    Well he kept his word, i didn't think he would.
    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. selected for Secretary of Health and Human Services

    Fauci must be wondering

    MAHA

    It was Mike Pompeo who advised against releasing the Kennedy assassination files previously, maybe we will get to see them during this term, Mr. Kennedy i'm sure would be interested. Between now and the inauguration I would guess that there is a big bounty available for the pair of them, going after big pharma has its problems!!!

    Post 694 dated 07/02/2018

    What if cures already exist?
    What about the billions (public/private/govt) provided to fund cure dev?
    Sheep.
    These people are sick!
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    Wtf are you on about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo View Post
    Wtf are you on about?
    Nothing serious Stevo, just looking over the old Q posts for cures.

    Post 4245 dated 15/05/2020

    Listen carefully.
    Why are possible [treatments][cures] being banned?
    Why are possible [treatments][cures] being attacked?
    Why are possible [treatments][cures] being targeted?
    Evidence overwhelming?
    HOW DO YOU KEEP PEOPLE LIVING IN FEAR?
    HOW DO YOU KEEP PEOPLE DIVIDED?
    HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY VOTE-BY-MAIL?
    HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY STATE BAILOUT(S)?
    HOW DO YOU MAKE PEOPLE STARVE [DEPENDENT ON GOV]?
    HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY ANYTHING NON_COVID RELATED TO BE A POLITICAL ATTACK [FISA_UNMASK]?
    HOW DO YOU CREATE A DIVERSION?
    HOW DO YOU SHIFT THE NARRATIVE?
    HOW DO YOU KILL POTUS ECONOMIC GAINS?
    HOW DO YOU KILL POTUS UNEMPLOYMENT RECORD(S)?
    HOW DO YOU PREVENT POTUS RALLY[IES]?
    HOW DO YOU DELAY USA_CHINA TRADE NEGOTIATION [PREVENT [FIXED] BILLION(S) CLAWBACK]?
    HOW DO YOU SHELTER [BIDEN] FROM DEBATES?
    HOW DO YOU SHELTER & PROTECT [BIDEN]?
    HOW DO YOU PUSH_DELAY [D] PARTY CONVENTION?
    WHY IS PUSHING CONVENTION CLOSER TO ELECTION DAY NECESSARY?
    HOW DO YOU CHANGE-OUT [D] PARTY CANDIDATE [OPTION]?
    HOW DO YOU CONVINCE [D] PARTY VOTERS TO ACCEPT?
    HOW DO YOU TRAP [INSTALL MEDICAL ADVISORS_SKY_IS_FALLING] POTUS INTO ENDORSEMENT OR FACE WW MEDICAL-SCIENCE-MEDIA FULL ASSAULT?
    IS THIS ABOUT THE ELECTION OR THE VIRUS?
    WHO BENEFITS THE MOST?
    Time to end the horror show?
    Time to term [select] science advisors?
    Time to term [select] gov controls by legal challenge?
    Time to stand?
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    Appreciate the response Heathblue but I still have no scooby what you’re on about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo View Post
    Appreciate the response Heathblue but I still have no scooby what you’re on about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo View Post
    Appreciate the response Heathblue but I still have no scooby what you’re on about.
    Well given the identity of the member of the Smugeratti who’s just replied to you, I think they must be saying I told you so about Covid.

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    RFK is an absolute nutter health wise. I'd imagine he won't be allowed too close to the pharma companies though, they're too important financially and for health. Interested in the comments made about him looking at food additives, pesticides etc. we've seen recently here just how hard it is to introduce much needed reforms to farming. They kick, scream and threaten violence and have a weird coalition that seems desperate to support them in their selfish fight.

    Maybe a nutter like RFK is exactly what needs to be unleashed against the food producers. Anything they shout at him will be like water off a ducks back. Here's hoping to an end of chlorinated chicken and a drop in the ridiculous amounts of pesticides and other chemicals dumped onto farmland

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    I do wonder sometimes if the creator of this psy op will ever be unmasked, those who follow these posts religiously maintain that the posts signed Q++ was OMB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Well given the identity of the member of the Smugeratti who’s just replied to you, I think they must be saying I told you so about Covid.
    Don’t you think it’s right to question what went on at all ?

    It’s not a case of being smug is it , infact most “smug” people wish they were totally wrong , but the fact is for a significant portion of Conspiracy theories that went around actually proved to be correct.

    The issue many people had was absolutely normal people put themselves on an imaginary platform as self appointed government deputies and decided to elevate way beyond their statutes.

    Remember how people who declined the opportunity to get vaccinated “ to help others more needy” were treated with unacceptable abuse especially in the media and online ( this platform was particularly being used effectively as a propaganda machine of the government).

    The fact that you think people are “smug” still shows you just don’t get it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Don’t you think it’s right to question what went on at all ?

    It’s not a case of being smug is it , infact most “smug” people wish they were totally wrong , but the fact is for a significant portion of Conspiracy theories that went around actually proved to be correct.

    The issue many people had was absolutely normal people put themselves on an imaginary platform as self appointed government deputies and decided to elevate way beyond their statutes.

    Remember how people who declined the opportunity to get vaccinated “ to help others more needy” were treated with unacceptable abuse especially in the media and online ( this platform was particularly being used effectively as a propaganda machine of the government).

    The fact that you think people are “smug” still shows you just don’t get it at all.
    20/20 vision from four years distance with ninety five per cent of the bollox the Smugeratti were posting at the time completely filtered out is so convenient for you lot isn't it.

    My view at the time was that there were risks involved in having the vaccine and they would probably come to light months and years down the line given the timetable involved in producing one, but at the time, with hundreds, sometimes thousands, of people in the UK alone dying every day of a new disease that has gone on to claim seven million lives worldwide through Covid related deaths so far, something had to be done.

    Seven million people dead, yet the Smugeratti seem to think that's not a high enough price to pay for making the sort of decisions that the the large majority of world Governments did back in 2020 when there was no recognised way of saving people's lives from the disease. Seven million deaths is clearly an acceptable price to pay to let you keep on with the we told you so dialogue, what wouldn't have been? Twenty million deaths? Fifty million? One hundred million?

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    I am thrilled to announce Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as The United States Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS). For too long, Americans have been crushed by the industrial food complex and drug companies who have engaged in deception, misinformation, and disinformation when it comes to Public Health. The Safety and Health of all Americans is the most important role of any Administration, and HHS will play a big role in helping ensure that everybody will be protected from harmful chemicals, pollutants, pesticides, pharmaceutical products, and food additives that have contributed to the overwhelming Health Crisis in this Country. Mr. Kennedy will restore these Agencies to the traditions of Gold Standard Scientific Research, and beacons of Transparency, to end the Chronic Disease epidemic, and to Make America Great and Healthy Again!

    Donald J. Trump

    https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status...70020427595797

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I am thrilled to announce Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as The United States Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS). For too long, Americans have been crushed by the industrial food complex and drug companies who have engaged in deception, misinformation, and disinformation when it comes to Public Health. The Safety and Health of all Americans is the most important role of any Administration, and HHS will play a big role in helping ensure that everybody will be protected from harmful chemicals, pollutants, pesticides, pharmaceutical products, and food additives that have contributed to the overwhelming Health Crisis in this Country. Mr. Kennedy will restore these Agencies to the traditions of Gold Standard Scientific Research, and beacons of Transparency, to end the Chronic Disease epidemic, and to Make America Great and Healthy Again!

    Donald J. Trump

    https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status...70020427595797
    To be fair that is a sound analysis of the role of Big Pharma and the food conglomerates. I think Kennedy is mad with some of his thinking, but on this he is right. But I have no confidence he will achieve what he and Trump (if he believes the words written for him) have set out. There is a massive contradiction at the heart of populist Trumpism claiming to stand with 'the little guy' whilst it is at the same time in bed with big business and opposed to green measures.

    It is a con. Smoke and mirrors.

    Is this RFK/Trump combo really interested in and capable of bringing down food prices whilst banning the methods and additives that produce such profits for a group of Trump backers? Can they really (and do they want to) bring down drug prices for the benefit of poor Americans without a comprehensive health system and prevent future opioid scandals?

    Something has to give and I can't see it being profit under Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    To be fair that is a sound analysis of the role of Big Pharma and the food conglomerates. I think Kennedy is mad with some of his thinking, but on this he is right. But I have no confidence he will achieve what he and Trump (if he believes the words written for him) have set out. There is a massive contradiction at the heart of populist Trumpism claiming to stand with 'the little guy' whilst it is at the same time in bed with big business and opposed to green measures.

    It is a con. Smoke and mirrors.

    Is this RFK/Trump combo really interested in and capable of bringing down food prices whilst banning the methods and additives that produce such profits for a group of Trump backers? Can they really (and do they want to) bring down drug prices for the benefit of poor Americans without a comprehensive health system and prevent future opioid scandals?

    Something has to give and I can't see it being profit under Trump.
    I suppose one hope is that when making savings from the federal budget they decide that the monstrous farm subsidies would be a good place to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    To be fair that is a sound analysis of the role of Big Pharma and the food conglomerates. I think Kennedy is mad with some of his thinking, but on this he is right. But I have no confidence he will achieve what he and Trump (if he believes the words written for him) have set out. There is a massive contradiction at the heart of populist Trumpism claiming to stand with 'the little guy' whilst it is at the same time in bed with big business and opposed to green measures.

    It is a con. Smoke and mirrors.

    Is this RFK/Trump combo really interested in and capable of bringing down food prices whilst banning the methods and additives that produce such profits for a group of Trump backers? Can they really (and do they want to) bring down drug prices for the benefit of poor Americans without a comprehensive health system and prevent future opioid scandals?

    Something has to give and I can't see it being profit under Trump.
    Wasn't big business and greater funding etc behind Harris not Trump though?

    Not that it changes the thrust of what you say, but I dont think he's bothered about upsetting people who didn't support him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    To be fair that is a sound analysis of the role of Big Pharma and the food conglomerates. I think Kennedy is mad with some of his thinking, but on this he is right. But I have no confidence he will achieve what he and Trump (if he believes the words written for him) have set out. There is a massive contradiction at the heart of populist Trumpism claiming to stand with 'the little guy' whilst it is at the same time in bed with big business and opposed to green measures.

    It is a con. Smoke and mirrors.

    Is this RFK/Trump combo really interested in and capable of bringing down food prices whilst banning the methods and additives that produce such profits for a group of Trump backers? Can they really (and do they want to) bring down drug prices for the benefit of poor Americans without a comprehensive health system and prevent future opioid scandals?

    Something has to give and I can't see it being profit under Trump.
    After listening to Milei's UN speech it seems more like a war between factions from the same class and the ordinary people are in the middle of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Wasn't big business and greater funding etc behind Harris not Trump though?

    Not that it changes the thrust of what you say, but I dont think he's bothered about upsetting people who didn't support him.
    Harris got more funding from everywhere than Trump.

    Most of the big donors were funding both, though.

    I am no expert but most of what I have read about Trump and Harris on Big Pharma (not just gestures and soundbites) makes me think that Harris would have been a harder outcome for them to swallow. So too for big agribusinesses. It is about margins and degrees though - the Democrats were clearly in bed with big business and Wall Street - I just think Trump in his never-ending search for wealth and prestige for Trump would be more so.

    I thought this was interesting:

    https://kffhealthnews.org/news/artic...-drug-pricing/

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    20/20 vision from four years distance with ninety five per cent of the bollox the Smugeratti were posting at the time completely filtered out is so convenient for you lot isn't it.

    My view at the time was that there were risks involved in having the vaccine and they would probably come to light months and years down the line given the timetable involved in producing one, but at the time, with hundreds, sometimes thousands, of people in the UK alone dying every day of a new disease that has gone on to claim seven million lives worldwide through Covid related deaths so far, something had to be done.

    Seven million people dead, yet the Smugeratti seem to think that's not a high enough price to pay for making the sort of decisions that the the large majority of world Governments did back in 2020 when there was no recognised way of saving people's lives from the disease. Seven million deaths is clearly an acceptable price to pay to let you keep on with the we told you so dialogue, what wouldn't have been? Twenty million deaths? Fifty million? One hundred million?

    Seven million deaths based on testing someone with 28 days of a positive test , so you could argue the majority of those would have probably died within a week or so of other causes.

    If you test someone prior to death who was already ill with something else then don’t you think that 7 million death count is higher than it should be especially when you also consider that hospital care settings received a financial benefit for every person who died from Covid ?

    How many of those 7 million deaths were of people who were perfectly healthy and were succumbed to the disease, I’m no expert but going on ONS data it’s not that high in comparison.

    A significant percentage of the 7 million deaths would have been classed as flu or pneumonia prior to the pandemic as the numbers for those historical illnesses dropped off a cliff.

    You’re not thinking clearly but no surprises there.

    As an aside another remarkable statistic is that the average Covid death is higher than the usual average, as pointed out by the smugerati , and then our own PM at the time about 18 months later. What’s your point on this pertinent question?

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