Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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One incredibly wealthy local born man is 70 year old Michael Moritz who now lives in the US. Have tried to reach him via email to ask if he would be interested in buying out the current hierarchy; no response so far but I may not have found his correct email address from the internet.

Anyone here who knows how to contact him (or people close to him) to see if he would be interested? Wikipedia state he is worth USD $6 billion.

Just PM him on here. Moritz is his American moniker but his real surname is Morris. This board is one of his tax havens.

[Father Dougal]

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Just PM him on here. Moritz is his American moniker but his real surname is Morris. This board is one of his tax havens.

Yeah they almost cottoned on to him with the government grants and tax breaks he was getting for the Welsh language message board but he was smart to it.

Hiding in plain sight- cover blown.

[Divine Wright]

I get that the likelihood of that happening is pretty remote.

But there is a world in which relegation is a reality. I guess Tan would have to change things if that happened. Not even he would continue flogging the Mehemt-Choo horse , would he ?? Maybe he would be tempted to cut his losses at that point.

I think the most unrealistic part is finding someone local who'd be able to buy the club out. Even a consortium. Then again, I think the club has quite a lot going for it in terms of infrastructure , fan base , logistic etc. There are clubs out there which are a complete mess, yet are quite attractive in the eyes of potential investors. Everton comes to mind ..... they are a totally basket case but people see the investment as worth the risk. Our club would provide something similar in terms of potential , but would at that point probably cost a fair bit less than a club like Everton.

I think I'd probably take the original scenario even without the local owners anyhow. Even if they were just sensible..... it doesn't really worry me that they are local....... it just does give you pause for thought after seeing how clueless and out of touch this Malaysian fella is.

And whilst some people might point out that clubs like Oldham and Notts County have struggled to get back to the top , I feel, have faith that we probably have more potential than Charlton and would also point to teams like Sunderland, Leeds, Man City, Ptsmouth who have been down there and made good of that situation. I'd like to think we are more similar to these sides in terms of reputation than a club like Charlton.

[Crisp White Lines]

And whilst some people might point out that clubs like Oldham and Notts County have struggled to get back to the top , I feel, have faith that we probably have more potential than Charlton and would also point to teams like Sunderland, Leeds, Man City, Ptsmouth who have been down there and made good of that situation. I'd like to think we are more similar to these sides in terms of reputation than a club like Charlton.

Cardiff City is experiencing the sort of insidious decline that you see in businesses/clubs that really struggle to survive.

It's the sort that raises an eyebrow and then a shrug of the shoulders. Repeatedly. Year after year.

Yes, most people will simply carry on attending games and not get upset by "all that boardroom stuff", whereas others want to grab the club by the shoulders and scream at it to "WAKE UP!!!"

We certainly can turn into a Charlton. When Oldham were in the top flight, their fans would never have envisaged their current situation - it possibly took that final drop out of the league for some people to acknowledge how bad it was.

Yes, I look at clubs like Torquay, Scunthorpe, Darlington, Hereford... and think we could never fall that far. But I look at other clubs with real heritage struggling below Cardiff right now, and I'm not so confident about a swift bounce-back.

[North Cardiff Blue]

So.

Would you take relegation if it brought about the following -

- Vincent Tan sells up .... leaves ..... whatever , he's gone.

- The club is taken over by a bunch of comparatively rich but sensible locals who are also supporters or at least have a minimal understanding of the culture of CCFC.

- The new board would mostly invest in the academy, spending enough on the first team to keep it relatively buoyant in League One.

- We'd be there for a 5 seasons before ultimately gaining promotion back to the Championship



Personally , I'd take something like that.

The club is taken over by a bunch of comparatively rich but sensible locals who are also supporters or at least have a minimal understanding of the culture of CCFC.

Yes and get the Riddler to run it, bring back the old days with winding up orders and unpaid tax, sell players at the wrong time to stop going into administration yes great

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Bolton were in the Premier League for eleven consecutive seasons and are having difficulties getting back to the Championship.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Yes and get the Riddler to run it, bring back the old days with winding up orders and unpaid tax, sell players at the wrong time to stop going into administration yes great

Though it has to be said he has more knowledge of football in his little finger nail than our owner and entire board have if you quadrupled it.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Bolton were in the Premier League for eleven consecutive seasons and are having difficulties getting back to the Championship.

Yes, but since the mid 60s, that stint in the top flight was out of the ordinary for Bolton. They've been a bit of a yo-yo side between the 2nd and 3rd tiers and even been in the bottom tier twice. Prior to 1964, they'd only spent 7 seasons out of the top division, but it's been a very different story since.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Yes, but since the mid 60s, that stint in the top flight was out of the ordinary for Bolton. They've been a bit of a yo-yo side between the 2nd and 3rd tiers and even been in the bottom tier twice. Prior to 1964, they'd only spent 7 seasons out of the top division, but it's been a very different story since.

Eleven seasons represents more than a blip though.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Eleven seasons represents more than a blip though.

I didn't say it was a blip, I said it was out of the ordinary. 11 seasons in 60 years is hardly a regular thing, either.

Truth is that, since the mid 60s, their league record is far more similar, albeit not quite as good, to clubs like Charlton and Watford.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

I didn't say it was a blip, I said it was out of the ordinary. 11 seasons in 60 years is hardly a regular thing, either.

Truth is that, since the mid 60s, their league record is far more similar, albeit not quite as good, to clubs like Charlton and Watford.

Well relegation is unlikely to be a good thing whatever

[Eric the Half a Bee]

This isn't a reply to any message in particular, but a general question - what would be so bad about relegation?

Crowds are unlikely to go down if we're challenging towards the playoffs, they might even improve. We might see some winning football instead of years of crap results and struggling at the foot of the Championship. Does anyone really prefer being beaten regularly in the Championship? Is playing the likes of West Brom and Norwich so much better than the likes of Barnsley and Wrexham?

Of course the opposite argument is that we could then struggle in League 1, but if that's what is finally due for us, there's nothing we can do about it. We're one of the longest serving sides in the top two divisions that hasn't dropped down to League 1 in the last 20 years. I read lots about how relegation would be a disaster, but now how that would be the case.

[fugsyphil]

This isn't a reply to any message in particular, but a general question - what would be so bad about relegation?

Crowds are unlikely to go down if we're challenging towards the playoffs, they might even improve. We might see some winning football instead of years of crap results and struggling at the foot of the Championship. Does anyone really prefer being beaten regularly in the Championship? Is playing the likes of West Brom and Norwich so much better than the likes of Barnsley and Wrexham?

Of course the opposite argument is that we could then struggle in League 1, but if that's what is finally due for us, there's nothing we can do about it. We're one of the longest serving sides in the top two divisions that hasn't dropped down to League 1 in the last 20 years. I read lots about how relegation would be a disaster, but now how that would be the case.

The loss in tv money alone makes wanting to get relegated the most ridiculous concept I've read in this crackpot forum

[jon1959]

This isn't a reply to any message in particular, but a general question - what would be so bad about relegation?

Crowds are unlikely to go down if we're challenging towards the playoffs, they might even improve. We might see some winning football instead of years of crap results and struggling at the foot of the Championship. Does anyone really prefer being beaten regularly in the Championship? Is playing the likes of West Brom and Norwich so much better than the likes of Barnsley and Wrexham?

Of course the opposite argument is that we could then struggle in League 1, but if that's what is finally due for us, there's nothing we can do about it. We're one of the longest serving sides in the top two divisions that hasn't dropped down to League 1 in the last 20 years. I read lots about how relegation would be a disaster, but now how that would be the case.

I may be wrong but surely a drop to League One means a drop in club income, which will mean jobs lost at the club and some of the good things the club does (like the Foundation) being cut back, or cut altogether?

Maybe the match day crowds won't be affected too much (although I expect they will drop) and maybe a squad re-set will be helpful and give Academy graduates more playing time (provided the club has built relegation clauses into contracts of the first teamers who are still with us) but I tend towards the 'disaster' end of the spectrum of possible outcomes. One big reason for that is because relegation will do nothing to change the structural weaknesses of the club (especially at board level) and has the potential to damage some of the main strengths.

[Moodybluebird]

The loss in tv money alone makes wanting to get relegated the most ridiculous concept I've read in this crackpot forum

Totally agree with you, such a ridiculous idea.

Generally when a team is relegated, most if not all of their talented players are sold to balance the books and you are left with the 'dregs', making it doubly difficult to bounce back quickly. I can't believe that anyone would be naive enough to embrace the concept of relegation.

[Don Corleone]

Also agree, totally ridiculous idea - and if you think tonight’s crowd will be low, what do you think it would be on a cold midweek night against the likes of Northampton and Stevenage

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

If the tables didn't change for the rest of the season (which of course they will), our opponents next season would be:

Plymouth
Hull
Bolton
Barnsley
Lincoln
Mansfield
Exeter
Charlton
Blackpool
Stevenage
Peterborough
Orient
Northampton
Bristol Rovers
Wigan
Rotherham
Walsall
Port Vale
Doncaster

3 from:
Birmingham
Huddersfield
Stockport
Reading

1 from:
Crewe
Grimsby
Wimbledon
MK Dons

That seems pretty grim to me.

[Divine Wright]

Fair amount saying that relegation is bad. Relegation per se is obviously not a good thing. I agree.

I'm just saying that I'm not entirely sure that scraping by with a bunch of idiots running the club for the next however-many seasons is better.

If we remain in this division , I'm confident that nothing will change in terms of the way the club is run and that FOR ME is even more grim than playing Northampton in from of 7 thousand people. That is how much I can't stand Tan, Mehmet and (maybe to a lesser degree) Choo.

If you flipped the scenario and said " How would you feel if we stayed in the division this season but next season Tan had a brain transplant, sacked Mehmet and hired a person with the qualifications and experience necessary to run a championship football club." then I'd say yes. But I think this scenario is even more remote than us going down , him selling up, and us getting a sensible owner for once......which is also remote.....but at this point, it looks like the better bet.

Personally, I would say that it's crackpot, if not a little bit desperate to want another 5 seasons of reckless buffoonery in terms of club management and the resulting shit show that we'll see on the pitch. That is just as masochistic as "wanting" relegation in my eyes .