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I believe he did say that , but he didn’t know that we would lose a record signing in a plane crash, or the impact of Covid 19 on his businesses.Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Similarly, I thought you were ever watching Cardiff again whilst he was the owner , so perhaps you don’t believe yourself
Oh yeh
Oh dear.
So, your still around watching them and shit stirring ,that’s what you do
You resort to the same tired old rubbish in every thread because you’re a desperately poor communicator, your arguments are hopelessly weak and you end up tying yourself in knots.
Must be tough for you. You have my sympathy.
As I say ,you’re still around shit stirring the pot, you could have stuck to your principles ,at least until Tan left like plenty of other fans.
Loner Gunman.
I was questioning the bit where you said Tan wouldn't mind losing money, as long as he saved face...
You know that do you?
Ice cream, boycott, beach towels, bollocks.
Repeat to fade.
In my opinion him losing money in the Sala case is less important than saving face. No matter what some may say he is a successful businessman, his wealth proves that. He’s probably gained and lost on many deals during his career, no doubt the losses hurt but it goes with the territory. I s’pose he could have paid the original transfer fee in this case and the matter would have been done and dusted years ago but he’s been like a dog with a bone over it, I really do believe that it’s become a stubbornness on his part, a determination to win the case, whatever the cost to him. I doubt that if there was a payout it would affect his lifestyle one iota.
Narcissistic attention seeking , shit stirring loner who was no longer supporting the club under the current owners
Weak little boy
Kind of sums up your knowledge of me really.
You seem to be a deeply strange individual and a pretty nasty one too. But I guess firing off personal insults anonymously gets some people excited. Knock yourself out, big man. Your powers of debate are pretty much zero, so vacuous insults are all you've got.
Ooof brutal. There are plenty who can’t be arsed to go anymore under the current regime, even more so after the last two or three seasons….quite a few on here saying they can’t be arsed either, people who have been going since the dark days of division 4 too.Narcissistic attention seeking , shit stirring loner who was no longer supporting the club under the current owners
Weak little boy
I’d hazard a guess a lot only go as it’s a social event catching up with mates or family and don’t want to miss out on doing that because of some inept buffoon who lives 1000’s of miles away and cares not one bit about ccfc…..
I’ve given you facts earlier in the post and for some unknown reason you decided to pick up on how my messages came across which was not really necessary but you know why you did it.Kind of sums up your knowledge of me really.
You seem to be a deeply strange individual and a pretty nasty one too. But I guess firing off personal insults anonymously gets some people excited. Knock yourself out, big man. Your powers of debate are pretty much zero, so vacuous insults are all you've got.
No offence but you don’t know me either and I’m sure you’re not actually the absolute whopper and antagonistic **** face to face as you continually come across on this forum.
Most people use this forum to quickly put a message across without fear of ridicule regarding grammatical error usually caused by predictable text and AI. The fact that you pick up on it suggest more about you really.
It looks like you’re one of a number on here who can give it out in spades but simply cannot accept when posters stand their ground.
Also unlike you I stick to my principles, and whilst it’s your choice whether you attend matches despite the owners, the fact that you persist with knocking them suggests you’re on here just to shit stir over and over
Let's take this step by step. What facts did you give me?
Move on FFS you dick
There we go. That didn't take long.
You said: "It looks like you’re one of a number on here who can give it out in spades but simply cannot accept when posters stand their ground."
I guess you can't see the irony of that comment, which is no surprise.
You also said: "I’m sure you’re not actually the absolute whopper and antagonistic **** face to face as you continually come across on this forum."
Again, I'm guessing the irony of that comment flew way over your head.
You stated: "Also unlike you I stick to my principles."
So what principles would those be exactly?
Nailed it, absolutely bang on the moneyOoof brutal. There are plenty who can’t be arsed to go anymore under the current regime, even more so after the last two or three seasons….quite a few on here saying they can’t be arsed either, people who have been going since the dark days of division 4 too.
I’d hazard a guess a lot only go as it’s a social event catching up with mates or family and don’t want to miss out on doing that because of some inept buffoon who lives 1000’s of miles away and cares not one bit about ccfc…..
Put it this way, if I was as bitter and twisted about the owner and the colour change as you , (so much so that you were not stepping back in the stadium) I would have stuck to my word.
There we go. That didn't take long.
You said: "It looks like you’re one of a number on here who can give it out in spades but simply cannot accept when posters stand their ground."
I guess you can't see the irony of that comment, which is no surprise.
You also said: "I’m sure you’re not actually the absolute whopper and antagonistic **** face to face as you continually come across on this forum."
Again, I'm guessing the irony of that comment flew way over your head.
You stated: "Also unlike you I stick to my principles."
So what principles would those be exactly?
You on the other hand continue to knock the club at every opportunity. You’re so entrenched in your blinkered mentality that you simply cannot understand that without the current regime’s financial support the club would possibly cease to exist. Are you saying this is not true ? Are you saying the owners don’t help with cashflow to the sum of £12m per season ? Do you know for definite that the current owners would accept considerable amounts of loses if the club is sold ?
You have a strange agenda , which you’re entitled to, but expect to be ridiculed.
Back in mid-2012, I said I wouldn’t support the team while City played in Vincent Tan’s ridiculous red home shirts and I never did. I got a refund on my season ticket in July 2012 and didn’t attend a single game home or away during the subsequent four seasons (2012/13 to 2015/16) despite the rebrand being reversed in January 2015.
My first game post-rebrand was away at Fulham in August 2016. I was on a coach trip that had been arranged by a mate for another mate’s birthday. I sat in the Craven Cottage neutrals section during the game, which finished 2-2. I then attended the 2-0 defeat at Burton in October 2016 on another birthday away day. That was it for me until January 2017, when I attended the home game against Burton as a guest of the stadium manager following the death of a close friend (the club had asked me to write a piece about him for the programme and a tribute that was read out at half time).
When the rebrand was confirmed in June 2012, I also vowed that I wouldn’t spend another penny at the club while Vincent Tan was the owner. I stuck to that pledge for almost a decade until May 2022, when I decided to buy a season ticket for the 2022/23 campaign.
I’d been to plenty of home games between January 2017 and May 2022, but had never actually bought a ticket (it just so happens that this particular ‘loner’ has plenty of City-supporting friends, so there were often spare tickets available if I wanted them). While I didn’t care too much about the results anymore and the football itself was often grim, I always enjoyed the days out with friends.
Covid-19 and some significant changes to my personal circumstances altered my outlook in 2022. After careful consideration, I concluded I should no longer let the fact that an old man in Malaysia owns Cardiff City stand in the way of me enjoying regular time with some of my closest friends while watching a bit of football.
I appreciate my decision to return didn’t meet with the approval of a tiny number of anonymous nobodies on an internet message board, but that’s neither here nor there as far as I’m concerned. I was welcomed back into the fold with open arms by everyone whose opinions I valued and also by numerous other friends and acquaintances, and that’s what counts.
As for your questions about the Emperor Tan and his minions, I’ll answer them one by one:
Would the club 'possibly' cease to exist without the current regime’s financial support? Possibly. But, in my opinion, almost certainly not.
Do the current mob put £12 million per season into the club? I’ve honestly got no idea – I haven’t downloaded the club’s accounts since 2012. If you have, then perhaps you can provide a detailed breakdown of the amounts Tan and Co have been putting in and explain why they’ve been doing so.
Do I know for definite that the current owners would accept considerable losses if the club was to be sold? No I don’t, and I’ve made no suggestions they would. I’ve got no idea what they would or would not do in such a scenario.
As for an agenda, it’s just plain weird that anyone would believe someone like me posting opinions about a football club and its owners on a message board like this amounts to an agenda. Do you think perhaps you’re taking this stuff a tad too seriously?
I have another question for you: are you aware that plenty of fans who didn’t boycott the club during the rebrand despise Vincent Tan?
Mike should put your stance on the rebrand and reason to return on here as a sticky. May save any future questions.
It maybe mentioned already but from memory you were close to sam hence the ice cream jibes? That's not a jibe from me but I am curious on your opinions of the chair of the trust, and members of the SC, DSA and FAB meeting with Sam on Saturday? Are you still connected to him? Did you get an invite?
I haven't spoken to Sam Hammam since something like 2014 or 2015. Not exactly sure, but it's been a long time.
I haven't got any opinions about this meeting - I honestly haven't read anything about it. I didn't get an invite, but I did get a couple of missed calls one day in mid-December from someone who was probably involved, so that may have been connected (I forgot to call back, the calls came on what was a very difficult day).
It's odd - I don't believe for a minute that Sam is lining up any sort of a takeover or consortium or anything even remotely similar. His time has long since been and gone. My guess is he just wants to stir the pot a bit. I imagine he holds a grudge or two where the current regime is concerned. Pure speculation on my part though, I don't have any info.
Ironically, I got to meet Sam in the first place back in 2005 at Mike's invitation after posting criticisms of him on here. I never got an ice cream out of him, though.
Can’t believe you buckled after 10 years Gunman….
Like I said on another thread, following city is more of a social occasion to catch up with mates, you don’t go then yiu miss out, I don’t think old vinnie t gives a sh*t does he? F*ck him….weve never let the football completely ruin the day out anyway, it was just the sideshow….
But weren't we not far off teetering on the edge of administration when he took over?I believe he did say that , but he didn’t know that we would lose a record signing in a plane crash, or the impact of Covid 19 on his businesses.
Similarly, I thought you were ever watching Cardiff again whilst he was the owner , so perhaps you don’t believe yourself
Any way he leaves us, however bad, must be better than that shirley?
It's a very different experience for me these days and it has been ever since 2012. While I'm still interested in everything CCFC-related and it's still a significant part of my life, the results don't matter much at all now. I prefer to see the team win, especially if they've done so while playing some decent football, but it's no big deal to me either way - certainly nothing like it was, and I know a lot of other fans who feel similarly.
When Tan eventually slings his hook I suppose I might feel differently, but that remains to be seen and he'll probably outlive me anyway the way things have been going this year.
The “current mob” have publicly stated they put in around £12m per year. I’m pretty sure you can locate the source of that information.
The rest of your post is duly noted.
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