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  1. #226

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    I appreciate that you wouldn't believe a thing on this until a youtube channel direct from the Lake of Fire was available. All I know is this, in all that Christ said that we CAN verify, He was and continues to be 100% correct.
    He spoke more on a place of Judgement than He did about Heaven - somewhere the godless like to talk about and hope for!
    In this dialogue I am making the point that if this life is all there is, then justice cannot be given, particulary for the likes of Saville etc
    Only the justice that Christ speaks of CAN offer justice in all cases, nothing else comes close.
    How do you know he said anything? The church are proven liars and so are the people who used to lie to control the masses back then? Therefore their scriptures are about as worthy as Donald trumps tax affairs…..

  2. #227

    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    I appreciate that you wouldn't believe a thing on this until a youtube channel direct from the Lake of Fire was available. All I know is this, in all that Christ said that we CAN verify, He was and continues to be 100% correct.
    He spoke more on a place of Judgement than He did about Heaven - somewhere the godless like to talk about and hope for!
    In this dialogue I am making the point that if this life is all there is, then justice cannot be given, particulary for the likes of Saville etc
    Only the justice that Christ speaks of CAN offer justice in all cases, nothing else comes close.
    100% on what?Give me examples
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    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Are Hitler, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan, Ivan The Terrible, Jimmy Savile, Ghandi, Plato, The Dalai Lama, you, me and all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists, Taoists, Zoroastrians, Pagans and Buddhists (all defined as 'anti-Christ' by truthpaste unless I am mistaken) going to be in the same area as hell, I wonder.
    It is going to be standing room only!

  4. #229

    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    100% on what?Give me examples
    Mind blowing stuff….he knows everything in that time or this, no matter what it is, the great controller of us all…..

  5. #230

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    It is going to be standing room only!
    Will sludge be in to keep us all amused?

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    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Will sludge be in to keep us all amused?
    With fishing trips and head banging? It will pass the time.

  7. #232

    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    It is going to be standing room only!
    Because of my perspective! - lol

    Maybe it seems that way from your perspective, probably because you know very few people who respect God's Word.

  8. #233

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    100% on what?Give me examples
    Here are TEN specific prophecies with their mathematical probability in each case.

    The article concludes with:
    Since these prophecies cover separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all ten is about 1 in 10^110 (a multiplication of their distinct probabilities). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will freeze and be encrusted with ice during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold interstellar molecular cloud to a hot star). That chance equals about 1 in 10^80. Stating it simply, based on these ten sets of biblical prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics.

  9. #234

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    Here are TEN specific prophecies with their mathematical probability in each case.

    The article concludes with:
    Since these prophecies cover separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all ten is about 1 in 10^110 (a multiplication of their distinct probabilities). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will freeze and be encrusted with ice during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold interstellar molecular cloud to a hot star). That chance equals about 1 in 10^80. Stating it simply, based on these ten sets of biblical prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics.
    If I'm reading this correctly, he is taking the prophesies from the bible and the outcomes from the bible*.

    Can you see a flaw in this process?

    *and then writing a massive number after each one with no explanation of how he got there, but let's overlook that for now with a little chuckle at "Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here."

  10. #235

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    With fishing trips and head banging? It will pass the time.
    He will still be banging on about the Tories too, even in the afterlife….he might even get laid?

  11. #236

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    He will still be banging on about the Tories too, even in the afterlife….he might even get laid?
    As long he do not go to heaven,only good girls go there.

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    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    Because of my perspective! - lol

    Maybe it seems that way from your perspective, probably because you know very few people who respect God's Word.
    That must be it. - lol

  13. #238

    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    If I'm reading this correctly, he is taking the prophesies from the bible and the outcomes from the bible*.

    Can you see a flaw in this process?

    *and then writing a massive number after each one with no explanation of how he got there, but let's overlook that for now with a little chuckle at "Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here."
    I suggest you look at 7 and 8, which are two examples of scores of Bible prophecies that have come true in recent history and have been verified by secular historians, reporters and scientists.

  14. #239

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    I suggest you look at 7 and 8, which are two examples of scores of Bible prophecies that have come true in recent history and have been verified by secular historians, reporters and scientists.
    Not prophecies but people following what they have read.

  15. #240

    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    Not prophecies but people following what they have read.
    Can you expand on that comment because it's current unclear what you are saying?

  16. #241

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    Can you expand on that comment because it's current unclear what you are saying?
    Read 7 and 8 and what year they were written and then people thought this is the way.
    Do you know what you are saying?Does it make any sense?

  17. #242

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    Will there be free pens?

  18. #243

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lung View Post
    Will there be free pens?
    Just red scarfs

  19. #244

    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    Read 7 and 8 and what year they were written and then people thought this is the way.
    Do you know what you are saying?Does it make any sense?
    Ok, putting aside the modern (recent) examples for a moment, do you deny that the Jesus spoken of in the Bible lived just over 2000 years ago and died via Crucifixian? Do you KNOW if evidence outside of the Bible points to the fact of the Resurrection?

    If you have spent MORE than 24 month (without doing your usual job) and have more key contacts in history, archaeology, ancient texts etc than *this guy - a journalist - who looked at all the facts as an atheist; then maybe you need to write to him to put him straight.

    This verified event (as I know *20 minutes of your attention is probably too much to ask) outside the writings of the Bible was predicted 800 years before it happened by Isaiah and 1000 years before by King David - and Jews in this situation (if claiming to be God) were supposed to be stoned to death.

  20. #245

    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    Ok, putting aside the modern (recent) examples for a moment, do you deny that the Jesus spoken of in the Bible lived just over 2000 years ago and died via Crucifixian? Do you KNOW if evidence outside of the Bible points to the fact of the Resurrection?

    If you have spent MORE than 24 month (without doing your usual job) and have more key contacts in history, archaeology, ancient texts etc than *this guy - a journalist - who looked at all the facts as an atheist; then maybe you need to write to him to put him straight.

    This verified event (as I know *20 minutes of your attention is probably too much to ask) outside the writings of the Bible was predicted 800 years before it happened by Isaiah and 1000 years before by King David - and Jews in this situation (if claiming to be God) were supposed to be stoned to death.
    It is still unproven,this guy it is just his opinion.

  21. #246

    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    It is still unproven,this guy it is just his opinion.
    Just watched it. It's garrulous fluff from someone who couldn't imagine living a non-hedonistic lifestyle with religion.

  22. #247

    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Just watched it. It's garrulous fluff from someone who couldn't imagine living a non-hedonistic lifestyle with religion.
    Lie all you like, he was as devastated as any atheist would be (in one sense) to discover his former atheistic wife was now believing in something that all the details from his extensive research couldn't deny as historical fact.
    Christ rose from the dead, stop wasting your time denying it and start to process what that now means for you and everyone.

  23. #248

    Re: Justin Welby

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    Lie all you like, he was as devastated as any atheist would be (in one sense) to discover his former atheistic wife was now believing in something that all the details from his extensive research couldn't deny as historical fact.
    Christ rose from the dead, stop wasting your time denying it and start to process what that now means for you and everyone.
    What lie did I tell, oh unpleasant one?

  24. #249

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    It is still unproven,this guy it is just his opinion.
    In the opening minutes they make an excellent case for atheism covering most of the points we often read on this forum. The resurrection is the basis of Christian faith and if it can be proved that it did not happen, then Christianity is dead in the water. Obviously as a one-off historical event it can neither be proven or disproven in the scientific sense, so we have to look at the available evidence. This is something I did myself, but not until many years (20 or so?) after I had dismissed any notion of a loving creator God during my atheistic teenager days when I thought science could explain everything.

    I read two books - "Who moved the stone" and "The case for Christ". These are both in-depth studies into what I suppose could be described as the sociology of the Holy Land at the time as a background to the events surrounding the resurrection,as well as aspects of the event itself. Both books were written by skeptics who set out to try to disprove the resurrection and deal with all the usual criticisms such as Jesus wasn't really dead in the first place, the disciples stole the body, Jesus had an identical twin brother, the disciples suffered some kind of mass hallucination, it was all wishful thinking etc. etc.

    I'm pretty confident that no-one who contributes to this debate will bother to read either of these as it will take some considerable time/effort and will instead probably take a short cut and read a summary critique by some well known atheist. So this then is my challenge to you, as indeed I was challenged. Read them for yourself in their entirety and only then decide whether to accept or reject the resurrection. I try to be a constant witness to the Christian faith but you can lead a horse to water etc.....

    I do not have the tenacity of Truthpaste so I will not labour the point. I've done my bit, now over to you.

  25. #250

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    Can you quote me ever writing a denial about Christmas not rising from the dead? Or have you just made that up? You do seem to imagine
    things at times before you go off at irrelevant tangents?

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