Reply With QuoteI've had various podcasts on over the day, the minerals options seems to be the most believable. In getting ownership over them before Chyna.Originally Posted by Rjk
| + Visit Cardiff FC for Latest News, Transfer Gossip, Fixtures and Match Results |
So, who’s got this right, this guy or Musk?
I've had various podcasts on over the day, the minerals options seems to be the most believable. In getting ownership over them before Chyna.
Thanks for posting this Bob. Musk, the far right, right wing MP’s and the media in this country should hang their heads in shame.
There is more chance of global cooling as the ice at the poles is increasing.
That is not fact.
The North is decreasing the South a slight increase.
Far-right? Laughable.
Are you claiming that there is no such thing?
Erm, not really in the context of this story, no, and more generally no where near as much as it lives in some of your heads.
This is a story about the mass rape of children, many due to the race and class and potential cover ups that allowed it to go on for years. It wasn't the far-right doing it, even if you wish it was. Seeing some of you get furious over the people who didn't do this as opposed to those who did is pretty frustrating to be honest.
I tell you what’s frustrating is you and your ilk using the young girls who were terribly let down by the system to score political points. Labour meanwhile are getting on with bringing in the laws to help protect young people.
Musk the far right fruit loop and you hero is a danger to us all.
Did you watch the podcast I posted? Whatever you call them, the journalist interviewed, rightly, said that there are politicians in this country and South African born.ignoramus' from America using this story for political purposes currently and a common thread is that they all fall into the category right wing. He also called out those on the left who, to some extent, enabled the scandal because they did not want to be called racist.
Yep musk and other doughy dog whistling American right wing talking heads/grifters have literally no knowledge of the UK, it's systems and even less interest in the plight of rape victims in the UK.
Both musk and Kirk have described Starmer as 'far left' in the last week, does anybody in here want to agree with that? They don't have a clue what they are talking about and should be ignored but it's hard to because they have so many mindless drones hanging on their every word.
The Tories should be thoroughly condemned for the wrecking amendment the other day but I don't think even the average person in the UK has enough knowledge of the political process to understand the potential affects of that.
.
Not sure of the accuracy, but I was reading something yesterday about Musk's father effectively grooming his step daughter.
Are you suggesting Tommy Robinson isn't far-right?
Most of the great problems we face are caused by politicians creating solutions to problems they created in the first place."
Governments create most of our problems
They pretend to solve them but rarely do.
Believe in yourself instead of politicians
Walter E. Williams
Musk thinks the IRA are Ireland's army. The guy is a weapons grade moron who is a walking contradiction.
Ps his dad shagged his step daughter, so if he wants to start talking about grooming, he should look closer to home.
The point here is that you are all obsessing over the far-right and why?
This is a story about the rape of potentially thousands of girls, frequently based on their race and class. Added to that is a great number of questions as to whether these horrific crimes (which we all absolutely agree were horrific) were allowed to go on for longer than they should because of a political culture that didn't want to investigate fully for fear of being labeled racist or other racial sensitivities.
It is not a story about the far-right. The far-right, the right, the centre, the left and far-left will ALWAYS exploit crisis for their own end. That, unfortunately, is politics. Labour exploited Grenfell and police rape scandals. The Tories exploit this. The Workers Party of Britain successfully exploited the war in Gaza for political gain in the last election. Reform exploit migrant crime etc etc.
Political exploitation is a story, but THE story is why this happened. Dancing around the edges, scouring the internet to find videos where people are talking about the far-right is in all honesty and example of the kind of culture that allowed this absolute filth to go on for so long and potentially still is going on.
Imagine for a moment that gangs of far-right people were targeting little Asian girls, grooming, taping and torturing them and that the authorities potentially turned a blind eye to some extent to indirectly allow it to continue for a while.
Imagine then that people rightly were outraged but some right-wingers instead turned their anger on the left for trying to "exploit the situation" politically (by talking about inquiries etc..hardly unheard of) instead of addressing the real issue at hand. Imagine that, and what you would think of those people. You would think they were absolute dickheads.
In fairness, the threads title isn't particularly helpful in discussing the wider topic but honestly, I find it utterly unfathomable that on this story some people still can't bring them selves to do much other than talk about the far-right. Frankly, it's shameful. No one on here has anything but contempt for these crimes but some are absolutely twisting it to make their own wider points, including some who profress to oppose others doing that very same thing
No I would be content labelling him far-right. He would argue he is critical of extreme Islam and isn't far-right, and he probably has a point in that respect but in the current context and understanding of things I would say he fits within the far-right European context.
That's not the point I was making however.
Absolutely true but I think Elon hates his dad though so hard to beat him with that stick.
And you are now just using it to get on your high horse. This is a thread about exactly what the title says it is, so people are commenting on that.
You have written a lot of words but I am still not sure what you want to happen. Almost nobody commenting on this will have had enough interest in the topic to actually read the inquiries or even have knowledge of the recommendations made, myself included.
I guess it depends how objective people want to be. There is a report based on a 7 year enquiry into CSE that made recommendations, most of which haven't been enacted yet. Whether the report goes far enough or is specific enough is another debate but don't kid yourself that Elon is raising an issue to the benefit of the British public, society or the victims. The amendment would have killed the bill, some progress is better than no progress.
Kemi seemed to think that we needed a new inquiry because 'its still going on', yes no shit because you haven't actually enacted the recommendations of the last enquiry.
The journalist in that excellent podcast made reference to far-right activists such as Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson using this particular issue for their own ends.
Ninian Opinion posted: "Thanks for posting this Bob. Musk, the far right, right wing MP’s and the media in this country should hang their heads in shame."
You replied to that post by saying: "Far-right? Laughable."
That's a very odd response.
In terms of parliamentary process. This is the amendment text. It clearly wasn't a reasonable attempt to propose a further enquiry, that was really just a footnote.
https://x.com/RichardBurgon/status/1877301392466985353
God knows why you think focusing on understanding why the rapes happened is a high horse but spending your time sounding off about the far-right allegedly exploiting the issue isn't, but there we go.
There was no chance of the bill being killed given Labours majority by the way. Ironically even the suggestions and the moral blackmail that came with it is itself an example of the political exploitation of issues being endemic, which as I gave examples of earlier cuts across the system
I can see why the response was confusing, apologies
The ridiculous nature of it is borne from a frustration of people being more interested in the far-$right supposedly exploiting a political situation than the reasons for it all happening in the first place - but as I acknowledged, the thread title did on part lead us to this less useful discussion.
Talking of Nick Griffin. Ignore the pointless toad. He has no political party. The one he did lead didn't stand in the last election and got less than a 1000 votes across the UK in 2019. This is what I mean by people's obsession with a growing far-right. Im not even sure its true.
If Tommy Robinson wants to call for an inquiry from his prison cell, so be it. He just agrees with three quarters of the country on that;
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...y-yougov-poll/
We don't need to keep giving these guys oxygen. Nick Griffin in particular is no more relevant than Robert Griffiths (Cardiff bou btw, anyone know if he is a city fan?) of the Communist Party. We don't routinely ask him what he thinks on things.
Where in this thread have you been 'focussing on understanding why the rapes happened'? Whatever that means anyway, there are going to be different reasons in different areas, that is why local inquiries are equally important.
What do you want a new inquiry to focus on? Why don't you think the existing inquiry goes far enough? Why don't you think the recommendations won't work to protect children from more organised multi-offender groups?
Posting Permissions