who started the war in Ukraine?

[Gofer Blue]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

If you can give me a date then perhaps I could oblige with a reply , if your talking as recently as 2022 when the war became newsworthy then you’re incorrect

I had to look it up as time flies does it not! This is a quote from Wikipedia:

In March and April 2021, prior to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces began massing thousands of personnel and military equipment near Russia's border with Ukraine and in Crimea, representing the largest mobilisation since the illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014.[37][38] This precipitated an international crisis due to concerns over a potential invasion. Satellite imagery showed movements of armour, missiles, and heavy weaponry towards the border.[39][40] The troops were partially withdrawn by June 2021,[41] though the infrastructure was left in place. A second build-up began in October 2021, this time with more soldiers and with deployments on new fronts; by December over 100,000 Russian troops were massed around Ukraine on three sides, including Belarus from the north and Crimea from the south.[42] Despite the Russian military build-ups, Russian officials from November 2021 to 20 February 2022 repeatedly denied that Russia had plans to invade Ukraine.[43][44

The sentence in red is the key sentence.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Three now who think Ukraine started the war (emphasis on the word started); it makes you wonder why they weren’t saying that before Trump did?

[TWGL1]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Did anyone care who started it prior to when it was announced as the current thing straight after Covid ? The BBC prior to this date ran a few documentaries regarding nazi army regiments and were very active in calling out far right groups until the narrative shifted.

It looks like the narrative will change again and people will continue to ignore the facts.

There is some very disturbing images and videos circulating around social media ( so disturbing that would not want to post on here ) that paints a negative picture of Ukraine

[Eric Cartman]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Did anyone care who started it prior to when it was announced as the current thing straight after Covid ? The BBC prior to this date ran a few documentaries regarding nazi army regiments and were very active in calling out far right groups until the narrative shifted.

It looks like the narrative will change again and people will continue to ignore the facts.

There is some very disturbing images and videos circulating around social media ( so disturbing that would not want to post on here ) that paints a negative picture of Ukraine

What point are you trying to make? Russia invaded Ukraine because Ukraine aren't very nice and that makes it okay? It just sounds like an excuse, Ukraine is a country with a border, Russia marched over the border, Russia started the war.

Is the UK perfect? If Russia invaded the UK tomorrow, would that war have started because of russian aggression or because we aren't perfect, and therefore justified?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Did anyone care who started it prior to when it was announced as the current thing straight after Covid ? The BBC prior to this date ran a few documentaries regarding nazi army regiments and were very active in calling out far right groups until the narrative shifted.

It looks like the narrative will change again and people will continue to ignore the facts.

There is some very disturbing images and videos circulating around social media ( so disturbing that would not want to post on here ) that paints a negative picture of Ukraine

Wow. That settles it then. It seems that the Russians are totally absolved of invading another nation state, bombing to oblivion numerous Ukrainian cities, occupying 20% of Ukraine, wanting the country to be wiped off the face of the map and killing masses of civilians. Thanks for educating us with your very balanced view regarding both of the warring parties.

[TWGL1]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Wow. That settles it then. It seems that the Russians are totally absolved of invading another nation state, bombing to oblivion numerous Ukrainian cities, occupying 20% of Ukraine, wanting the country to be wiped off the face of the map and killing masses of civilians. Thanks for educating us with your very balanced view regarding both of the warring parties.

It’s not a case of settling it, just putting out what’s circulating , I don’t think you knew much about it before Covid , as you were busy with that yet all of a sudden you’re pretending to care , right ?

What ever the rights and wrongs the sooner some sort of legal solution is in place the better, or would you prefer more and more pointless casualties, if it’s the latter then I’m sure you will be the first to enlist your children , correct ?

I think the fact you have swerved the issues raised in the post sums up your lack of understanding of the matter.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

It’s not a case of settling it, just putting out what’s circulating , I don’t think you knew much about it before Covid , as you were busy with that yet all of a sudden you’re pretending to care , right ?

What ever the rights and wrongs the sooner some sort of legal solution is in place the better, or would you prefer more and more pointless casualties, if it’s the latter then I’m sure you will be the first to enlist your children , correct ?

I think the fact you have swerved the issues raised in the post sums up your lack of understanding of the matter.

Presumably your kids are already in Ukraine fighting against the rampant corruption and other bad goings on that your videos show, in fact why are you not there right now, putting your money where your mouth is. After all, you can't have an opinion without making that sacrifice, right?

See how unproductive discourse is when you become obsessed with 'owning the libs' and gotchas?

[Eric Cartman]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Also if America really are the voice of reason here, why are desperately trying to tie peace to their attempt to extort billions of dollars of natural resources from the Ukrainians?

[TWGL1]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Presumably your kids are already in Ukraine fighting against the rampant corruption and other bad goings on that your videos show, in fact why are you not there right now, putting your money where your mouth is. After all, you can't have an opinion without making that sacrifice, right?

See how unproductive discourse is when you become obsessed with 'owning the libs' and gotchas?

I’m not advocating extending the war so why should I put members of my family forward. You’re sounding like a government propaganda machine with your ignorance and ranting.

I’m sure the facts from both perspectives with spill over into the public consciousness sooner or later , perhaps when it does happen we can have an opportunity for an informed discussion.

I’ve had family members serve in the military and would they do it again , no chance.

[TWGL1]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Also if America really are the voice of reason here, why are desperately trying to tie peace to their attempt to extort billions of dollars of natural resources from the Ukrainians?

No different to countless other wars , why do you think we invaded a quarter of the world, and more recently Iraq and Afghanistan

Are you that dumb. Please don’t say anything else

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

It’s not a case of settling it, just putting out what’s circulating , I don’t think you knew much about it before Covid , as you were busy with that yet all of a sudden you’re pretending to care , right ?

What ever the rights and wrongs the sooner some sort of legal solution is in place the better, or would you prefer more and more pointless casualties, if it’s the latter then I’m sure you will be the first to enlist your children , correct ?

I think the fact you have swerved the issues raised in the post sums up your lack of understanding of the matter.

Firstly, I'm not someone who contributed much on here regarding Covid so I have no idea what you are on about.
Secondly, I travelled around Ukraine independently a year or two before Covid hit and I always take interest in the history of every country I visited (and I still keep up-to-date with the situation over there). I tend to stay with local families where possible too - in order to take in their perspectives on life.
(I happened to visit Belarus after Ukraine that and Russia a few years earlier, for what it's worth).

Oh, and I used to work in the field of International Relations.

However, thanks for telling me what I knew and what I don't know.

[TWGL1]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Firstly, I'm not someone who contributed much on here regarding Covid so I have no idea what you are on about.
Secondly, I travelled around Ukraine independently a year or two before Covid hit and I always take interest inthe history of every country I visited. I tend to stay with local families where possible too - in order to take in their perspectives on life.
(I happened to visited Belarus after Ukraine that and Russia a few years earlier, for what it's worth).

Oh, and I used to work in the field of International Relations.

However, thanks for telling me what I knew and what I don't know.

Why are you dismissing facts then and downplaying the seriousness then ? Your humour is totally unnecessary, and offensive. I presume you get sacked from international relations on the basis of your opinion and mindset?

BTW I’ve been to Russia aswell with Wales and numerous satellite states and I know people who have been to Ukraine and it’s corrupt as ****

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

P.S. I didn't swerve the issue as I have no need to. I am aware that it's not a simplistic matter and that both sides of the conflict have their failings but it's a matter of balance, which doesn't seem to be your schtick However, your subsequent informing me of what I know and didn't know was rather ludicrous and based on diddly-squat.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Why are you dismissing facts then and downplaying the seriousness then ? Your humour is totally unnecessary, and offensive. I presume you get sacked from international relations on the basis of your opinion and mindset?

BTW I’ve been to Russia aswell with Wales and numerous satellite states and I know people who have been to Ukraine and it’s corrupt as ****

What did I dismiss? Atrocities have indeed taken place on the Ukrainian side. And yes, corruption is not a stranger to the country, that's true. And no, I didn't get my marching orders from my work but your concern is very disarming. They did like people to see both sides of an argument though.

Apologies for my humour being offensive. I'll have to inform Eric The Half A Bee as he had a question about the concept of offensive humour on here a few days ago.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: who started the war in Ukraine?

Perhaps you can now explain why you fabricated a comment about me not knowing anything about Ukraine prior to Covid.