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    Cardiff City's head of recruitment has revealed how the club had to rip up their old transfer strategy and implement a new system which is "one of the most efficient in the Championship".

    The Bluebirds have had to streamline the way that they work in order to punch up their recruitment network to meet modern requirements and transfer chief Patrick Deboys is leading that change.

    Deboys has a very broad remit, having taken on the role has recruitment head following the departure of Kevin Beadell in the summer of 2023, and has been tasked with making the club's transfer department run more efficiently. There has been a clear push towards targeting younger players with value in order for the club to finally start making money in the transfer windows, rather than haemorrhaging it.

    The likes of Jesper Daland, Alex Robertson and Yousef Salech were brought in with the hope being that they would improve the team immediately but also increase in value in the years to come.

    And Deboys, in an interview with the club's matchday programme, has explained his wide-ranging role and how the club have had to rip up and move away from their old scouting network to implement a new, data-driven model to sign players.

    "There are five key roles that I would cover," he said. "The first one is head of recruitment, signing first-team players down to emerging talent, from under-18s up to first-team players. I would oversee that process. it entails leading a team of four technical scouts on identifying players.

    "The second aspect then would be player contract extensions. We have successfully renewed some of our top talent under the age of 24 but have also seen our senior players sign extensions recently. I work with the aboard on that.

    "Then there's loan management. We've introduced a system with academy manager Gavin Chesterfield and first-team coaches Tom Ramasut and Darren Purse where we have a detailed loan strategy that bridges the gap from our top academy talent to the first team.

    "We've got 30-35% of the first team now being supplied by the academy, which is great and we're seeing the benefits of that. Another aspect of my role would be the multi-club management, with out sister club KV Kortrijk. We've seen huge success with the likes of Isaak Davies in utilising our sister club to bridge that gap and gain experience.

    "Within our recruitment team, it's about leadership and seeing development. We have redefined our recruitment department and have shifted from a traditional scouting model to a more data-guided recruitment mod, with technical scouts focusing on different positions, rather than a location-based scout. Rather than seeing the best player in Manchester, for example, we need to see the best player across the world for Cardiff City.

    "We have one of the most efficient recruitment departments in the league. You've seen that with the likes of Yousef Salech coming in; our system has allowed us to sign players from broader markets, rather than just the UK market."

    Hard workers with a desire to improve are two "non-negotiables", Deboys says, when it comes to looking for new recruits.

    Cardiff brought in Sivert Mannsverk (22), Salech (23) and Will Alves (19) in the winter window and all have made an immediate impact and improved the team.

    While Mannsverk and Alves are only temporary signings until the end of the season, Salech has been brought in as a long-term investment and he is already repaying the faith the club showed in him by recruiting him from Swedish top flight side Sirius.

    The Danish-Palestinian forward has netted four goals in 10 games, while supporters have also been impressed with his all-round game on both sides of the ball.

    Deboys likes to think that the signing of Salech is the blueprint for transfers in windows to come, with it being hoped that the player's potential yields a lot of goals and potentially a lot of cash in the years to come.

    "We consider the culture of the club, the area and the city and tie that into the players that we identify; hard work and being hungry to develop and improve are two non-negotiables that we have," he added.

    "They also must have the level of athleticism and technical ability that we're looking for. There are differences within each position, but the fundamentals remain the same and they are our core values.

    "If you take someone like Yousef Salech, for example, we know that he can improve and he has fantastic fundamentals. His desire to work hard on the pitch is clear. We've signed him on a long-term contract because we believe he will be an even better play in three years' time than he is now. That requires a level of hard work and desire that we have seen in him and was one of the reasons we chose him. He had an appetite to improve in the long term that we really like.

    "It's always nice when a player comes in and does well immediately. The biggest thing is when a manager believes that we have a finished transfer window with a better squad than when we started. That is the goal.

    "Over the long term, if we can make the squad better after every window, that's the most pleasing aspect."

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    Is it my imagination or are we currently 20th in the Championship table?

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    Spoiler alert - for anyone going to read the article who is hoping to find an explanation for the Simic transfer, you won’t.

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    "Hard work and being hungry to develop and improve are two non-negotiables that we have. They (the signings) also must have the level of athleticism and technical ability that we're looking for. There are differences within each position, but the fundamentals remain the same and they are our core values."

    Perhaps this fella should have been asked to explain how Wilfried Kanga ended up here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    "Hard work and being hungry to develop and improve are two non-negotiables that we have. They (the signings) also must have the level of athleticism and technical ability that we're looking for. There are differences within each position, but the fundamentals remain the same and they are our core values."

    Perhaps this fella should have been asked to explain how Wilfried Kanga ended up here.

    I'm guessing that was the reason the last fella left and the club are eager to show the fans there's been a change of direction in the way we recruit players. Not before time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sneggyblubird View Post
    I'm guessing that was the reason the last fella left and the club are eager to show the fans there's been a change of direction in the way we recruit players. Not before time.
    The last fella left in the summer of 2023...

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    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    The last fella left in the summer of 2023...
    Kevin Beadell has been Head of Recruitment at Sheffield Wednesday since December 2023.

    Seems to be doing a fair job there.

    https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2023/dec...f-recruitment/

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post

    Perhaps this fella should have been asked to explain how Wilfried Kanga ended up here.

    Had a feeling TLG would nail this correctly.

    Surprised the scout kept a straight face talking all that gobbledegook when the proof of Kanga was still fresh in our memories

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Kevin Beadell has been Head of Recruitment at Sheffield Wednesday since December 2023.

    Seems to be doing a fair job there.
    That said, I noticed they started their recent game at Swansea (which they won) with a front two of Paterson and Ugbo.


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    Assuming Patrick Deboys was in his current position during the months which led up to the start of the 2023/24 campaign, the senior players the club has signed since he’s been head of recruitment are:

    23/24 summer window:

    Josh Bowler (loan)
    Dimitrios Goutas
    Karlan Grant (loan)
    Yakou Meite
    Jonathan Panzo (loan)
    Aaron Ramsey
    Runar Runarsson (loan)
    Manolis Siopis
    Ike Ugbo (loan)

    23/24 winter window:

    Famara Diedhiou (loan)
    Ethan Horvath
    Nat Phillips (loan)
    Ryotaro Tsunoda
    David Turnbull
    Josh Wilson-Esbrand (loan)

    24/25 summer window:

    Callum Chambers
    Jesper Daland
    Anwar El Ghazi
    Will Fish
    Wilfried Kanga (loan)
    Alex Robertson
    Roko Simic
    Chris Willock

    24/25 winter window:

    Will Alves (loan)
    Sivert Mannsverk (loan)
    Yousef Salech

    Don’t think I’ve forgotten anyone (but that’s not guaranteed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Assuming Patrick Deboys was in his current position during the months which led up to the start of the 2023/24 campaign....
    It seems he was:

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...citys-27515797

    ...after three years, there has been a reshuffle and Beadell's former lead recruitment analyst, Patrick Deboys, has now been leading the transfer drive this summer. Deboys held the post of lead recruitment analyst from January 2019 until June this year, when he got the top job as head of recruitment.

    "We've restructured the recruitment, have a new head in charge of that who is responsive, able to move very quickly, and that's why we've got a lot done in terms of the quality this summer," said chairman Mehmet Dalman. (article dated 14/08/2023).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Assuming Patrick Deboys was in his current position during the months which led up to the start of the 2023/24 campaign, the senior players the club has signed since he’s been head of recruitment are:

    23/24 summer window:

    Josh Bowler (loan)
    Dimitrios Goutas
    Karlan Grant (loan)
    Yakou Meite
    Jonathan Panzo (loan)
    Aaron Ramsey
    Runar Runarsson (loan)
    Manolis Siopis
    Ike Ugbo (loan)

    23/24 winter window:

    Famara Diedhiou (loan)
    Ethan Horvath
    Nat Phillips (loan)
    Ryotaro Tsunoda
    David Turnbull
    Josh Wilson-Esbrand (loan)

    24/25 summer window:

    Callum Chambers
    Jesper Daland
    Anwar El Ghazi
    Will Fish
    Wilfried Kanga (loan)
    Alex Robertson
    Roko Simic
    Chris Willock

    24/25 winter window:

    Will Alves (loan)
    Sivert Mannsverk (loan)
    Yousef Salech

    Don’t think I’ve forgotten anyone (but that’s not guaranteed).
    For the most efficient transfer recruitment team in the league, he's signed about 5 good players there. The rest of the division must be ****ing appalling

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    It could be argued there is an upward trend in the quality of players coming in, which is a good sign.

    Saying that, there are some players who clearly knew someone who could hack into the data...and they knew how to talk the talk in an interview....

    Deboys: "So, are you hungry to improve and develop?"
    Prospective new player: "Yes"
    Deboys: "Great. Sign here."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crisp White Lines View Post
    It could be argued there is an upward trend in the quality of players coming in, which is a good sign.
    There has? How many of the 26 players Deboys have signed have been genuine, unqualified successes? I make it 7. Robertson, Salech, Mannsverk, Alves, Goutas, Grant and Phillips. There as many genuine stinkers, such as Meite, Kanga, Simic, Panzo, Runnarsson, Diedhiou, Tsunoda...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    There has? How many of the 26 players Deboys have signed have been genuine, unqualified successes? I make it 7. Robertson, Salech, Mannsverk, Alves, Goutas, Grant and Phillips. There as many genuine stinkers, such as Meite, Kanga, Simic, Panzo, Runnarsson, Diedhiou, Tsunoda...
    The upward trend I refer to are the 3 players from the last window, plus Robertson, (a repositioned) Chambers and Fish (who is looking increasingly capable). All from 24/25

    I wouldn't defend the stinkers at all...someone hacked their data I reckon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    There has? How many of the 26 players Deboys have signed have been genuine, unqualified successes? I make it 7. Robertson, Salech, Mannsverk, Alves, Goutas, Grant and Phillips. There as many genuine stinkers, such as Meite, Kanga, Simic, Panzo, Runnarsson, Diedhiou, Tsunoda...
    Tsunoda has been unfortunate with injuries, but it's hard to blame that on the recruitment team.
    They can probably feel that they were justified in expecting more from Meite as well given his track record in the division, but it just hasn't happened.
    there are a few genuinely bad ones in there though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    There has? How many of the 26 players Deboys have signed have been genuine, unqualified successes? I make it 7. Robertson, Salech, Mannsverk, Alves, Goutas, Grant and Phillips. There as many genuine stinkers, such as Meite, Kanga, Simic, Panzo, Runnarsson, Diedhiou, Tsunoda...
    I don't believe for a second the responsibility for the signings of either Goutas or Siopis can be attributed to this guy and his team. I'm as certain as I can be that both were exclusively Bulut's men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    For the most efficient transfer recruitment team in the league, he's signed about 5 good players there. The rest of the division must be ****ing appalling
    If you look at the eight or so players signed in the summer Chambers changing positions has been a success Robertson looks like a very good signing who could either be great for us long term or hell be sold for a huge profit
    Fish is just getting game time and is only recently starting in the first team
    Daland the jury is still out

    Simic is a really odd signing, but who knows?
    Willock and El Ghazi, Ive been disappointed in both of them and that leaves Kanga, and there really isnt anything that hasnt been said to add to that conversation!!!

    At best four have come good at worst two or three out of eight, hardly a ringing endorsement of success in my book

    On the flip side Ive been impressed with all three January signings

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    Do we really think every player we sign is going to be a superstar?

    Like, say , Man Utd that spend 100,s of millions on dummies?

    Actually , every football club spends good and bad money . I like our recent additions on the whole .

    There I go again with this positive nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    Do we really think every player we sign is going to be a superstar?

    Like, say , Man Utd that spend 100,s of millions on dummies?

    Actually , every football club spends good and bad money . I like our recent additions on the whole .

    There I go again with this positive nonsense.
    plenty of players have been flops at man utd and looked a lot better away from that club - sometimes a player just doesn't fit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    Do we really think every player we sign is going to be a superstar?
    No, not at all. That would be silly. Nobody thinks that. But it would be nice if the club could put together a squad that wasnt hovering around the relegation zone for much of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    Do we really think every player we sign is going to be a superstar?

    Like, say , Man Utd that spend 100,s of millions on dummies?

    Actually , every football club spends good and bad money . I like our recent additions on the whole .

    There I go again with this positive nonsense.
    I agree, certainly regarding the youngsters, but Willock and El Ghazi have game changing moments too, it's more often than not a watchable experience, the only player I tend to sigh when introduced is Meite, but even he has his (albeit very rare) shining moments..

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    No, not at all. That would be silly. Nobody thinks that. But it would be nice if the club could put together a squad that wasn’t hovering around the relegation zone for much of the season.
    New infrastructure, personnel and ethos for our transfers - same results (so far). Let's hope it becomes more fruitful, and soon, but it'll need a little time I guess.

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    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Assuming Patrick Deboys was in his current position during the months which led up to the start of the 2023/24 campaign, the senior players the club has signed since he’s been head of recruitment are:

    23/24 summer window:

    Josh Bowler (loan)
    Dimitrios Goutas
    Karlan Grant (loan)
    Yakou Meite
    Jonathan Panzo (loan)
    Aaron Ramsey
    Runar Runarsson (loan)
    Manolis Siopis
    Ike Ugbo (loan)

    23/24 winter window:

    Famara Diedhiou (loan)
    Ethan Horvath
    Nat Phillips (loan)
    Ryotaro Tsunoda
    David Turnbull
    Josh Wilson-Esbrand (loan)

    24/25 summer window:

    Callum Chambers
    Jesper Daland
    Anwar El Ghazi
    Will Fish
    Wilfried Kanga (loan)
    Alex Robertson
    Roko Simic
    Chris Willock

    24/25 winter window:

    Will Alves (loan)
    Sivert Mannsverk (loan)
    Yousef Salech

    Don’t think I’ve forgotten anyone (but that’s not guaranteed).

    24/25 summer window:

    Callum Chambers -Very Good
    Jesper Daland - good and still young
    Anwar El Ghazi - OK
    Will Fish - Good and still young
    Wilfried Kanga (loan) - Terrible but only a loan and binned already
    Alex Robertson - Very Good and only Young
    Roko Simic - poor
    Chris Willock - Not bad and only a loan

    24/25 winter window:

    Will Alves (loan) - Good loan
    Sivert Mannsverk (loan) - Very good loan
    Yousef Salech - Very good and will improve

    Was he fully responsible for last year or was he appointed late with insufficient time to influence?

    This year looks very good to me, although we are seeing the best of them. There are a lot of young players, and it's tough when they find themselves thrown into a relegation battle with all the extra pressure.

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