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I think a fair few might struggle with that...Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
How long will it be till the Canton start counting back from 8 just to put the keeper under pressure.
The only problem is that corners always take more than 8 secs with all the jostling, pulling of shirts etc and refs always talking to players not to do it, who then ignore that advice.
Football has a great propensity in addressing one problem they cause another.
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It's a very good point to be fair. If they really want to legislate it out of the game then make it a yellow card, and maybe VAR can be used quickly (ha) if it results in a red card. Reckon goalies would get the message pretty quick that way.
But there is an argument that an out-field player can hold the ball until he has someone he feels safe to pass it to, so why should a keeper be put into a situation where he can be penalised for not kicking the ball away when none of his team are placed to receive it.
Because the outfield player can be tackled, but the keeper cannot be if he holds the ball.
I agree. All this has been the knock on effect of the back pass rule and taking goal / free kicks with other players in the penalty area. Each rule change has caused another problem.
There's nothing wrong with passing back to the keeper and the keeper picking the ball up with their hands if keepers were booked after holding on to the ball too long.
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Cumon, 4 players in a square yard of pitch, kicking f uck out of each other’s ankles, NOT TIME WASTING ?????
Ya having a laugh
See above reply
It's not.
Timewasting is a player, knowing he's about to be substituted, deliberately being at the farthest point of the pitch and walking slowly towards the other touchline. Or spending 15 seconds deciding who to throw to, only for another player to come and take the throw instead.
You're talking about running down the clock, which isn't the same thing.
So basically, TIME WASTING !!!!
I'm honestly amazed that you've been watching football for presumably decades and don't know the difference between the ball being in play and out of play
Just enforce the current rule.
I was talking about this to our ref yesterday, he asked me, what would you prefer as In-direct free kick in the 12 yd box or a corner, of course you would prefer the free kick
I questioned would It be enforced and he said to me " lets time the away GK today " , 1/2 time comes around and he says " the longest she had the ball was 11 seconds " which was crazy as we were winning , with about 15 mins to go, he shouted over, 17 seconds, just as crazy they were still losing
they lost and the ref said at the end, the longest was 17 seconds, I didnt blow up as you were winning and she was using up her own time
to be fair to the ref, he is one of the better ones around here and does ref NLS games
Referees almost always take 60+ seconds to administer a simple free kick outside the box, even when no-one is booked.I was talking about this to our ref yesterday, he asked me, what would you prefer as In-direct free kick in the 12 yd box or a corner, of course you would prefer the free kick
I questioned would It be enforced and he said to me " lets time the away GK today " , 1/2 time comes around and he says " the longest she had the ball was 11 seconds " which was crazy as we were winning , with about 15 mins to go, he shouted over, 17 seconds, just as crazy they were still losing
they lost and the ref said at the end, the longest was 17 seconds, I didnt blow up as you were winning and she was using up her own time
to be fair to the ref, he is one of the better ones around here and does ref NLS games
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What I've always found mildly amusing is it takes x amount of time for the keeper to resume play with a GK.
If one team is ahead the losing GK will now be hurried along by the ref even if in real time it's barely any difference to how it was earlier and no one was bothered. It's often merely the perception. Some of course will take the piss.
Used to happen a lot when we had a long throw, we would take 40 seconds to get the ball in to play but if we were behind and the opposition took a few seconds the fans and ref would be getting involved.
Simplest thing to deter actual time wasting is the clock just stops.
I like the new law when the keeper has it in his hands as long as it is enforced.
Can you imagine a goal being scored from a corner awarded for this infringement - only for replays to show it was 7 seconds.
Totally agree with all of this part. There are the obvious ones like player pretending not to notice he's being subbed, going to the furthest part of the field and slowly trudging off or all the little knocks that players get in the last 10 minutes defending a lead, but a lot of what is perceived as time wasting is just the home crowd getting more and more annoyed at losing late in a game.
Unfortunately the stopped clock is too radical and in the opposite direction to the way the game is going with every game having to fit into a televised slot for megabucks, but it would instantly solve the problem and result in a far more entertaining product in my opinion.
No.
Of course, how many goes does the taker want?
'Oh dear, the keeper's saved your shot. Don't worry, have another go from half the distance while he's still lying on the ground.' Ludicrous.
I've brought this up before on here and pointed out it was already the rule in hockey. I hope Collina is ready for the counterargument that I came up against from a couple of the board's heavyweights. I quickly realised I was out of my depth.
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post4751754
Exactly, all of this 8s just an admission of defeat that the previous attempt to do something about time wasting by goalkeepers has failed and there’s no one to blame for that but the authorities who now want to try again - I’d also point out that I’ve heard it said that such and such a team is at their most dangerous when defending a corner. I think that’s a bit far fetched, but it is true to say that it is considered to be an opportunity for a counter attack.
I hadn't spotted the penalty suggestion before and my first instinct was that it could be a good idea. I then thought that there aren't many occasions where penalty rebounds are scored. I'll also raise you the final moments of the Watford - Leicester playoff semi. Such excitement would never happen. Didn't something like that happen in a League 1 championship decider on the last day of the season? Us at Hull?
I agree with you Eric, I don't see why play shouldn't continue if a penalty is saved and the ball doesn't go out for a corner - the ball ius still in play, so why shouldn't someone on the attacking side have the opportunity to follow up a saved shot and try to score like they would in "normal" play? The current law saying the penalty taker cannot score from a rebound off the post if the goalkeeper did not get a touch on it is consistent with the one that prevents a person taking a free kick or corner to themselves, so should be kept as well.
Penalty shoot outs are different. The regular game has finished and so it's not a question of playing on after shot has been saved. I remember thinking at the time shoot outs came in that it's inconsistent to allow the penalty taker to score after his effort has been saved in regular play, but not in a shoot out and there's still an argument to be had as to whether you should play on after a spot kick has been saved in a shoot out. However, I now think that it raises too many questions such as how long do you play on for and can other players get involved, so I'd say it's best to leave things as they are when it comes to shoot outs.
Good post. I still think it's daft but I get what you and TOBW are saying. Bluebirdman had a good idea in the thread I linked to, that play should continue but the taker shouldn't be allowed to play the rebound, whether it comes off the post or the keeper. As he's basically six yards offside when he takes it then that seems right, the keeper and defenders would have a fairer chance to capitalise on the save then.
Not that I'm bothered when it goes for us, by the way, as it did for Turnbull against Blackburn earlier in the season. Me and my (hockey playing) sons were out of our seats celebrating and going 'good rule that' to each other. Shameless.
Any visiting team whose fans sing “Football in a Library” or “Is there a Fire Drill” should immediately concede an indirect free kick. It’s neither funny or original.
I don’t think the pelanty taker can put a rebound off the post in the net. A dead ball can’t be played by the same player after it’s taken. In the ‘pelanty put in off the post’ situation it may be that a goal kick is given.
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