Warnock

[North Cardiff Blue]

According to who?

Me.

The bookies have us fourth from bottom, but we looked terrible yesterday and Derby are picking up.

https://m.skybet.com/football/sky-be...-2425/33325187

Make yourself useful and do a bottom team's run in post, so we can see where the next points are commig from.

[KingOfSiamIAm]

No. I'd rather go down than watch us go long ball. In any case, we haven't got the players he needs - tall, imposing centre backs, height all over the pitch and leaders on the pitch.

If long ball means clearing your lines when it is necessary to do so, then short term, it’s our Neil for me.

Yesterday when Luton had a free kick, I noticed one of our coaches had assumed that modern stance at the edge of the technical area, staring at the proceedings. The free kick routine was almost the same as the one where we conceded late-on against Sunderland. We were fortunate to get away with this one and the coach sat down.

A bit later, another dead ball kick from Luton, again the guy was standing there, we were almost undone again, but were FORTUNATE to get away with it. This time however, as the coach went back to his seat, his arms were held out wide, indicating a look of exasperation.

Maybe the players are following these new fangled coaching methods to the letter, instead of being ready to positively effect what is actually happening in real time.

We are now in crisis management time, things need to be kept simple and it doesn’t matter who the manager is. Omer Riza has had enough time to adjudge the character of those players who are ready for a fight. They need to play. There are under ten games left and in my opinion, we need round pegs in round holes. Whether that is Riza, our Neil or Uncle Tom Cobberly and all.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

He came in nine years ago, you clown and got us a promotion the following season, so it was the absolute truth.

You said he'd some in, organise the defence and have us keeping clean sheets in 2 weeks. Are you still suggesting this is the absolute truth before I rinse you with stats?

[North Cardiff Blue]

You said he'd some in, organise the defence and have us keeping clean sheets in 2 weeks. Are you still suggesting this is the absolute truth before I rinse you with stats?

With this squad a younger Warnock would, yes, it's organisation and accountability and knowing who your best back four are.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

No. I'd rather go down than watch us go long ball. In any case, we haven't got the players he needs - tall, imposing centre backs, height all over the pitch and leaders on the pitch.

Firstly, Warnock didn't play 'long ball'. Secondly, anything is batter than watching what I witnessed last night. And thirdly, you'd actually rather the Club be relegated to League 1 than stay up ?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Firstly, Warnock didn't play 'long ball'. Secondly, anything is batter than watching what I witnessed last night. And thirdly, you'd actually rather the Club be relegated to League 1 than stay up ?

1. What would you define it as?

2. Not some of the hoofball shit I saw under Warnock.

3. As I've said, I'm not bothered.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

With this squad a younger Warnock would, yes, it's organisation and accountability and knowing who your best back four are.

Here we go....

Looking over 16 stints Warnock has had as manager of clubs since his first job in the Football League with Notts County, 5 times has his side opened with a clean sheet, although 2 of those occasions were in league cup ties. On 7 occasions did Warnock's side manage a clean sheet in their first two games, so on 9 occasions Warnock's side failed to get a clean sheet in their first 2 games.

I hear you mention a "younger Warnock". Well, in his stints from Notts County to Oldham, those 5 sides took 21 games to get a clean sheet. Huddersfield managed one in a league cup tie against lower division Scarborough but failed in their opening 9 league games to get a clean sheet. Oldham similarly managed a clean sheet in their second game, then failed to get another for 11 games.

His best spell like this was between his appointments at Palace and Rotherham, where he started with a clean sheet on 5 out of those 7 seasons (I didn't check up on his very brief second stint at QPR). Since then, it took Cardiff 7 games to get a clean sheet, Middlesbrough 6, Huddersfield 3 and Aberdeen 7 games.

My reason for doing this is your recent insistance on everything you say being a fact. You made a totally spurious claim that Warnock would come in and have us keeping clean sheets within 2 weeks, as if that would be guaranteed. It was total bollocks. He hasn't done that all that often in his career, certainly not 9 years ago. I was then called a clown when you tried to avoid your initial comment by saying he'd won us promotion - something absolutely true, but nothing to do with your clean sheets in 2 weeks comment. You further backtracked by suggesting a younger Warnock would have. Again, that's a load of bollocks.

I regularly pass comments on all sorts of things on here, lots of them may well be wrong, but I at least say they're my opinion, or it's what I believe to be true or accurate etc. I do my best not to pass off opinion as fact. You keep coming out with wild claims that wilt under a hint of scrutiny, but each time you keep arguing you are still right.

So, shall we have another go - are you standing by your claim that under which ever variety of Warnock, we'd be keeping clean sheets in 2 weeks (like that's some sort of guarantee), when there's no real suggestion of that in the stats?

[Splott-light...]

I don't know why anybody trys it with Eric

anyway, i'm of the belief that Mr Tan and his board of useless chair-people could do with a little humbling, as long as we keep hanging in there season after season they will keep patting each other on the back and no improvements will be made, my advice to the board:

1) get rid of the f***ing red squiggle on the badge immediately

2) hold your hands up and accept that a catalogue of poor decision making has broken this club, we were the daddy in this league

3) recruit a proper manager

[Eric the Half a Bee]

anyway, i'm of the belief that Mr Tan and his board of useless chair-people could do with a little humbling, as long as we keep hanging in there season after season they will keep patting each other on the back and no improvements will be made, my advice to the board:

1) get rid of the f***ing red squiggle on the badge immediately

2) hold your hands up and accept that a catalogue of poor decision making has broken this club, we were the daddy in this league

3) recruit a proper manager

VOTE SPLOTT-LIGHT! VOTE SPLOTT-LIGHT!

[Pedro de la Rosa]

With this squad a younger Warnock would, yes, it's organisation and accountability and knowing who your best back four are.

We played Rino Goutas Daland COD for about 10 straight games when everyone was fit. It did not go well. Daland got hooked 3 times in 8 games for being horrifically bad. This squad is shocking. We have been here for 3 of 4 seasons, we don't have a good squad.

[Carl Dale's Mole]

No thanks!

[the other bob wilson]

With this squad a younger Warnock would, yes, it's organisation and accountability and knowing who your best back four are.

Warnock would see this lot in training for a few days and then probably do what he did at Aberdeen, this team are the least suited to play Warnockball we’ve had in years - they’re too soft for a start.

[olderblue]

Warnock would see this lot in training for a few days and then probably do what he did at Aberdeen, this team are the least suited to play Warnockball we’ve had in years - they’re too soft for a start.

Warnock would look at some of ours and decide to play Blackie and Jepson in the team

They couldn’t be any slower in thought than some of ours
We’ve tried every other combination at the back, May as well chuck an ex keeper in there

I’m surprised our master tactician hasn’t done that yet

[North Cardiff Blue]

Here we go....

Looking over 16 stints Warnock has had as manager of clubs since his first job in the Football League with Notts County, 5 times has his side opened with a clean sheet, although 2 of those occasions were in league cup ties. On 7 occasions did Warnock's side manage a clean sheet in their first two games, so on 9 occasions Warnock's side failed to get a clean sheet in their first 2 games.

I hear you mention a "younger Warnock". Well, in his stints from Notts County to Oldham, those 5 sides took 21 games to get a clean sheet. Huddersfield managed one in a league cup tie against lower division Scarborough but failed in their opening 9 league games to get a clean sheet. Oldham similarly managed a clean sheet in their second game, then failed to get another for 11 games.

(I didn't check up on his very brief second stint at QPR). Since then, it took Cardiff 7 games to get a clean sheet, Middlesbrough 6, Huddersfield 3 and Aberdeen 7 games.

My reason for doing this is your recent insistance on everything you say being a fact. You made a totally spurious claim that Warnock would come in and have us keeping clean sheets within 2 weeks, as if that would be guaranteed. It was total bollocks. He hasn't done that all that often in his career, certainly not 9 years ago. I was then called a clown when you tried to avoid your initial comment by saying he'd won us promotion - something absolutely true, but nothing to do with your clean sheets in 2 weeks comment. You further backtracked by suggesting a younger Warnock would have. Again, that's a load of bollocks.

I regularly pass comments on all sorts of things on here, lots of them may well be wrong, but I at least say they're my opinion, or it's what I believe to be true or accurate etc. I do my best not to pass off opinion as fact. You keep coming out with wild claims that wilt under a hint of scrutiny, but each time you keep arguing you are still right.

So, shall we have another go - are you standing by your claim that under which ever variety of Warnock, we'd be keeping clean sheets in 2 weeks (like that's some sort of guarantee), when there's no real suggestion of that in the stats?

His best spell like this was between his appointments at Palace and Rotherham, where he started with a clean sheet on 5 out of those 7 seasons

You've lost the plot - There's the evidence you dope Or do you think Warnock was older then, than he is now

Everyone knows that model of Warnock (younger than he is today because I know I have to spell things out for you) would sort these lot out in no time, you man Riza still hasn't got a clue yet who his best defence is

[North Cardiff Blue]

Warnock would see this lot in training for a few days and then probably do what he did at Aberdeen, this team are the least suited to play Warnockball we’ve had in years - they’re too soft for a start.

He'd get something out of them. A bad manager will make an average team look bad, while a good manager will make an average team look good.

[the other bob wilson]

His best spell like this was between his appointments at Palace and Rotherham, where he started with a clean sheet on 5 out of those 7 seasons

You've lost the plot - There's the evidence you dope Or do you think Warnock was older then, than he is now

Everyone knows that model of Warnock (younger than he is today because I know I have to spell things out for you) would sort these lot out in no time, you man Riza still hasn't got a clue yet who his best defence is

Warnock did a runner in his last job. He's a legacy to protect and would not want a relegation on his CV at this very late stage in his career - he'd be inherting a dressing room severely lacking in defensive leaders (the thing he has based his career on more than anything else I'd say) and, unless he had another Sol Bamba type ready to come in right away as a free agent, it'd be far less simple for him to turn our season around than some would imagine.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Warnock did a runner in his last job. He's a legacy to protect and would not want a relegation on his CV at this very late stage in his career - he'd be inherting a dressing room severely lacking in defensive leaders (the thing he has based his career on more than anything else I'd say) and, unless he had another Sol Bamba type ready to come in right away as a free agent, it'd be far less simple for him to turn our season around than some would imagine.

He's older now, and in his day, he could make average teams look good, while Riza is making this average team look rubbish.

[blue matt]

whats Mozza upto at the mo, he hasn't a club has he ? ?

Warnock with Mozza signed on as player coach ( for 3 , maybe 4 years )

[Forest Green Bluebird]

You could have a Pep Klopp hybrid, and they'd struggle with this shower.

This lot are garbage and it's time everyone realised it. We are here because they're not good enough. They weren't good enough 3 seasons ago, they weren't good enough 2 seasons ago and they're not bloody good enough now.

Warnock wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot barge pole

Strange how past players who were given similar grief for their abilities in a Cardiff shirt are now plying their trade in other championship teams, arguably being more effective than the current squad.

I've watched plenty of those below and noticed how much more comfortable in possession they are in a different environment.

Perhaps it's something to do with coaching!

Mark Harris (Oxford)
Ciaron Brown (Oxford)
Will Vaulks (Oxford)
Marlon Pack (Pompey)
Josh Murphy (Pompey)
Ebou Adams (Derby)
Nathaniel Mendez-Laing (Derby)
Curtis Nelson (Derby) injured
Callum Paterson (Sheff Wed)
Ike Ugbo (Sheff Wed)

[North Cardiff Blue]

Strange how past players who were given similar grief for their abilities in a Cardiff shirt are now plying their trade in other championship teams, arguably being more effective than the current squad.

I've watched plenty of those below and noticed how much more comfortable in possession they are in a different environment.

Perhaps it's something to do with coaching!

Mark Harris (Oxford)
Ciaron Brown (Oxford)
Will Vaulks (Oxford)
Marlon Pack (Pompey)
Josh Murphy (Pompey)
Ebou Adams (Derby)
Nathaniel Mendez-Laing (Derby)
Curtis Nelson (Derby) injured
Callum Paterson (Sheff Wed)
Ike Ugbo (Sheff Wed)

How many would we want back, other than maybe Murphy?

[Crisp White Lines]

Strange how past players who were given similar grief for their abilities in a Cardiff shirt are now plying their trade in other championship teams, arguably being more effective than the current squad.

I've watched plenty of those below and noticed how much more comfortable in possession they are in a different environment.

Perhaps it's something to do with coaching!

Mark Harris (Oxford)
Ciaron Brown (Oxford)
Will Vaulks (Oxford)
Marlon Pack (Pompey)
Josh Murphy (Pompey)
Ebou Adams (Derby)
Nathaniel Mendez-Laing (Derby)
Curtis Nelson (Derby) injured
Callum Paterson (Sheff Wed)
Ike Ugbo (Sheff Wed)

Cardiff City has had this effect on so many players over the years.

A player can look great until they join us here - then their performances and abilities go into decline. A player can look bang average here - then they go elsewhere and shine.

I can't fathom it out, after 50+ years watching us.

[Rjk]

Strange how past players who were given similar grief for their abilities in a Cardiff shirt are now plying their trade in other championship teams, arguably being more effective than the current squad.

I've watched plenty of those below and noticed how much more comfortable in possession they are in a different environment.

Perhaps it's something to do with coaching!

Mark Harris (Oxford)
Ciaron Brown (Oxford)
Will Vaulks (Oxford)
Marlon Pack (Pompey)
Josh Murphy (Pompey)
Ebou Adams (Derby)
Nathaniel Mendez-Laing (Derby)
Curtis Nelson (Derby) injured
Callum Paterson (Sheff Wed)
Ike Ugbo (Sheff Wed)

In fairness Callum Paterson was clearly at his best with us - nothing he has done at Wednesday has come close to that - and he's often been a bit part player there.

[Rjk]

How many would we want back, other than maybe Murphy?

Brown has had a good season, and we've been unable to find a central defensive pair all season, so I think he'd be the first on the list we'd want.

[Crisp White Lines]

In fairness Callum Paterson was clearly at his best with us - nothing he has done at Wednesday has come close to that - and he's often been a bit part player there.

True. The quality of his goal celebrations is abysmal compared to what we enjoyed here.

His forward-roll-somersault was my personal favourite.