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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    interesting to see Klaus Schwab stand down as chairman from WEF yesterday the day after these tariffs were put in place .USAID money being drained by DOGE maybe the end of globalisation ? it's more than 4D chess !

    my moneys on Blair to step in as chairman of the WEF
    Elon Musk is one of the major drivers for globalisation - if not the single most important one.

    Social media information and disinformation may be more important than the exchange of goods/services in the maintenance of a global society, culture, economy and set of dominant ideas.

    Trump and Musk are not the Rebel Alliance - they are the Empire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Elon Musk is one of the major drivers for globalisation - if not the single most important one.

    Social media information and disinformation may be more important than the exchange of goods/services in the maintenance of a global society, culture, economy and set of dominant ideas.

    Trump and Musk are not the Rebel Alliance - they are the Empire!
    And the Empire Strikes Back!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    https://apnews.com/article/trump-mus...15367cc808960d

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Opponents of President Donald Trump and billionaire Elon Musk plan to rally across the U.S. on Saturday to protest the administration’s actions on government downsizing, the economy, human rights and other issues.

    More than 1,200 “Hands Off!” demonstrations have been planned by more than 150 groups, including civil rights organizations, labor unions, LBGTQ+ advocates, veterans and fair-elections activists. The protests are planned for the National Mall in Washington, D.C., state capitols and other locations in all 50 states.
    Are you going? Or maybe you can organise a one-man march in Sheffield

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    And the Empire Strikes Back!!!

    You’d love that wouldn’t you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    My moneys on Blair to step in as chairman of the WEF
    It would be a fitting legacy.

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    What do the more economically leftwing chaps on here make of this in the BBC article?

    It's only a part of the story of course but genuinely interested.

    "However, Nissan is considering shifting some of its production to the US, according to reports. It has also announced it's reversing
    plans to scale back its operations in Tennessee"

    "The United Auto Workers union - which represents those working in car manufacturing - has applauded the introduction of tariffs, saying the move "signals a return to policies that prioritise the workers who build this country, rather than the greed of ruthless corporations"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg52gjwg91t

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo View Post
    You’d love that wouldn’t you?
    I couldn't give a stuff either way Stevo, you know I was just referring to my favourite film series, ? I'm more of a Darth Vader than a Luke Skywalker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    What do the more economically leftwing chaps on here make of this in the BBC article?

    It's only a part of the story of course but genuinely interested.

    "However, Nissan is considering shifting some of its production to the US, according to reports. It has also announced it's reversing
    plans to scale back its operations in Tennessee"

    "The United Auto Workers union - which represents those working in car manufacturing - has applauded the introduction of tariffs, saying the move "signals a return to policies that prioritise the workers who build this country, rather than the greed of ruthless corporations"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg52gjwg91t
    This is one analysis piece from a US socialist organisation - the Socialist Workers Party (US).

    It does make passing reference to the basis of Hitler's rise to power, and also to Leon Trotsky as a reference, so serious pearl clutching will be in order!


    The economic war is also directed against the working class at home, despite Trump’s assertions—backed by the United Auto Workers union and other sections of the trade union bureaucracy—that it benefits the American worker.

    One of the big lies of the Trump regime is that tariffs are paid by foreign countries. In reality, they are a massive indirect tax on consumers, workers and their families, in the form of higher prices on a range of goods from groceries to consumer durables.

    Any relocation of production to the US will not result in an increase in well-paying jobs. New factories will be highly automated, employing as few workers as possible to cut costs. Through the pressure of competition, this will only lead to further job cuts and intensified exploitation in existing plants.





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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    This is one analysis piece from a US socialist organisation - the Socialist Workers Party (US).

    It does make passing reference to the basis of Hitler's rise to power, and also to Leon Trotsky as a reference, so serious pearl clutching will be in order!


    The economic war is also directed against the working class at home, despite Trump’s assertions—backed by the United Auto Workers union and other sections of the trade union bureaucracy—that it benefits the American worker.

    One of the big lies of the Trump regime is that tariffs are paid by foreign countries. In reality, they are a massive indirect tax on consumers, workers and their families, in the form of higher prices on a range of goods from groceries to consumer durables.

    Any relocation of production to the US will not result in an increase in well-paying jobs. New factories will be highly automated, employing as few workers as possible to cut costs. Through the pressure of competition, this will only lead to further job cuts and intensified exploitation in existing plants.
    How would you deal with the useless eaters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    This is one analysis piece from a US socialist organisation - the Socialist Workers Party (US).

    It does make passing reference to the basis of Hitler's rise to power, and also to Leon Trotsky as a reference, so serious pearl clutching will be in order!


    The economic war is also directed against the working class at home, despite Trump’s assertions—backed by the United Auto Workers union and other sections of the trade union bureaucracy—that it benefits the American worker.

    One of the big lies of the Trump regime is that tariffs are paid by foreign countries. In reality, they are a massive indirect tax on consumers, workers and their families, in the form of higher prices on a range of goods from groceries to consumer durables.

    Any relocation of production to the US will not result in an increase in well-paying jobs. New factories will be highly automated, employing as few workers as possible to cut costs. Through the pressure of competition, this will only lead to further job cuts and intensified exploitation in existing plants.


    Interesting. What a turnaround in a couple of decades!

    I can't see any reference to Hitler or Trotsky unfortunately, which is a shame

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Interesting. What a turnaround in a couple of decades!

    I can't see any reference to Hitler or Trotsky unfortunately, which is a shame
    Apologies, I missed out the link to the full article:

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/202.../grfi-a04.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    How would you deal with the useless eaters?
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Are you going? Or maybe you can organise a one-man march in Sheffield
    There was a 300 strong march for Palestine in Sheffield today - one of the regular local events. The 'hands off' message was there.

    There were a lot of Americans in London today on the Hands Off demonstration in Trafalgar Square - and in Frankfurt, Paris and other European cities.

    No idea how many took part in the 1200+ US demonstrations - but hopefully this is the beginning of something that grows.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...0843b305e4badc

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    There was a 300 strong march for Palestine in Sheffield today - one of the regular local events. The 'hands off' message was there.

    There were a lot of Americans in London today on the Hands Off demonstration in Trafalgar Square - and in Frankfurt, Paris and other European cities.

    No idea how many took part in the 1200+ US demonstrations - but hopefully this is the beginning of something that grows.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...0843b305e4badc
    The photos outside the Capitol building today suggests more protesters turned up there today than Trump followers did for the inauguration

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo View Post
    The photos outside the Capitol building today suggests more protesters turned up there today than Trump followers did for the inauguration
    Meanwhile over in France they are really serious about screwing up the European economy.

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/...-unis-20250404

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    And the Empire Strikes Back!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Meanwhile over in France they are really serious about screwing up the European economy.

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/...-unis-20250404
    If only Le Pen could run in the next election eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo View Post
    If only Le Pen could run in the next election eh?
    It's not who runs, it's what they are going to do that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Elon Musk is one of the major drivers for globalisation - if not the single most important one.

    Social media information and disinformation may be more important than the exchange of goods/services in the maintenance of a global society, culture, economy and set of dominant ideas.

    Trump and Musk are not the Rebel Alliance - they are the Empire!
    it appears Starmer and co have conceded the end of globalisation is upon us

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2728228.html


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg10yjp7meo

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    it appears Starmer and co have conceded the end of globalisation is upon us

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2728228.html


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg10yjp7meo
    Somebody better tell Red Ed before he switches off all the electricity generators

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    it appears Starmer and co have conceded the end of globalisation is upon us

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2728228.html


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg10yjp7meo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Why else would you fire a honest and forthright leader who followed the law and put national security first?

    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    it appears Starmer and co have conceded the end of globalisation is upon us

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2728228.html


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg10yjp7meo
    If Starmer and Co say the sun is shining I will take an umbrella!

    (Their definition of globalism is nonsense - a narrow, partial and outdated focus on protectionism v a particular model of so-called ‘free trade’. Free for the global north but much less so for the south.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    If Starmer and Co say the sun is shining I will take an umbrella!

    (Their definition of globalism is nonsense - a narrow, partial and outdated focus on protectionism v a particular model of so-called ‘free trade’. Free for the global north but much less so for the south.)
    Sir Keir Starmer will declare the end of globalisation and admit it has failed the public. Sir Keir said “the world as we knew it has gone”.

    Is anybody on here still in favour of globalism?

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    If Trump lasts the 4 years, will all this “great stuff” he’s doing be undone in 4 years by the Democrats anyway?

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