So how many years will we spend in Division 1 and possibly below?

[North Cardiff Blue]

18 years I reckon.

One with the right Manager and a decent rebuild.

So with Tan six, and then a relegation.

[Rjk]

agree rjk won;t be passing the ball out of defence next season if we went down will be deffo more direct brand of football

to go back up straight away will be a big ask me thinks

think the turnover of playing staff will be off the richter scale too in the summer !!

I genuinely don't think there will be a massive clear out over the summer - other than most of the out of contract players

[The Lone Gunman]

I genuinely don't think there will be a massive clear out over the summer - other than most of the out of contract players

Agreed, and I'm not really sure where the idea comes from that there will be.

[ManBearPig]

One year. We finish top, Wrexham 2nd and then a load of whinging that Welsh clubs shouldnt be in the league

[Der Kaiser]

Maximum of 3 seasons. I’d love a clear out but there won’t be, might lose a couple but we’ll retain the majority of the side. If we can find a manager who gets the team to remember how to hold on to a lead, we’ll probably go up on first time of asking.

Plenty of shit teams have gone down and gone straight back up relatively quickly.

If Salech and Robinson both stay and are motivated we should be right in the mixer, regardless of how poor we have been this season.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

There were 24,000 there yesterday, 28,000 against the Jacks. Despite the " I'm not bothered too much about relegation, I'm looking forward to new grounds to visit, and the Championship was becoming boring" brigade, it will be many years before we get crowds anywhere near that.

[Rjk]

There were 24,000 there yesterday, 28,000 against the Jacks. Despite the " I'm not bothered too much about relegation, I'm looking forward to new grounds to visit, and the Championship was becoming boring" brigade, it will be many years before we get crowds anywhere near that.

we haven't had many crowds like that this season either.

If we're competing at the top of league one, then I doubt the attendances will drop by much to be honest

[The Lone Gunman]

There were 24,000 there yesterday....

Really?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Really?

Well, I was there, and it felt like it.

[Der Kaiser]

There were 24,000 there yesterday, 28,000 against the Jacks. Despite the " I'm not bothered too much about relegation, I'm looking forward to new grounds to visit, and the Championship was becoming boring" brigade, it will be many years before we get crowds anywhere near that.

So? If people want to watch Cardiff the league should be irrelevant, if people are that bothered by us going down that they just wont go then that really doesn't say much for us as a fanbase.

We will win more games and concede less goals in League 1 (in theory) which will be a lot more entertaining that what we've been served up for a good 3 years now. Who ****ing cares if only 9000 people turn up.

[The Lone Gunman]

There were 24,000 there yesterday, 28,000 against the Jacks. Despite the " I'm not bothered too much about relegation, I'm looking forward to new grounds to visit, and the Championship was becoming boring" brigade, it will be many years before we get crowds anywhere near that.

I love this stuff. It's hilarious.

In recent years the likes of Plymouth, Portsmouth, Rotherham, Wigan, Wycombe, Hull, Peterborough and Blackpool have all been promoted from League One to the Championship. No chance of that happening with Cardiff City, though. It will be many years before we can hope to achieve such a feat. Allegedly.

[The Lone Gunman]

Well, I was there, and it felt like it.

I was there too. It didn't feel like it. Loads of empty seats all over the place.

[Der Kaiser]

Just in case anyone wondered about how relegation will effect our attendances these are some figures (taken from Transfermarkt) from clubs relegated out of the championship in the last 10-15 years who I guess would be considered around the same size as us or bigger

- Ipswich's average league 1 attendances were higher in league 1 than their final 4 seasons in the championship before relegation.
- Birmingham's attendance has gone up this year.
- Norwich had a higher league 1 attendance than their final 3 seasons in the championship prior to relegation.
- Reading's has gone down marginally.
- Sheffield United's went down by about 6/7000.
- Sheffield wednesday's went down marginally.
- Sunderland's went up but was still down by around 25% from the premier league 2 season prior to relegation to league 1
- Wolves down marginally.


I couldn't be bothered to think of other clubs similar to us or slightly bigger but that alone shows relegation to league 1 doesn't automatically mean our attendances and fanbase will drop off a cliff. Realistically, the club being smart with ticket prices and a solid start will have us with near enough similar attendances if not significantly better, because we'll actually be winning.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

I love this stuff. It's hilarious.

In recent years the likes of Plymouth, Portsmouth, Rotherham, Wigan, Wycombe, Hull, Peterborough and Blackpool have all been promoted from League One to the Championship. No chance of that happening with Cardiff City, though. It will be many years before we can hope to achieve such a feat. Allegedly.

I said before, if this squad was in league 1 they would be mid-table at best. The frenetic nature of that division would be even more demanding for our flimsy, delicate lot. We can possibly ship out a fair few and a few may leave, but I'm just waiting for Dalman etc. to say something along the lines of keeping faith with the squad and expecting them to get us back to the Championship swiftly. I certainly don't envisage much change in the starting line up[s] come August.

[C1C9F2C7]

18 years I reckon.

[the other bob wilson]

Just in case anyone wondered about how relegation will effect our attendances these are some figures (taken from Transfermarkt) from clubs relegated out of the championship in the last 10-15 years who I guess would be considered around the same size as us or bigger

- Ipswich's average league 1 attendances were higher in league 1 than their final 4 seasons in the championship before relegation.
- Birmingham's attendance has gone up this year.
- Norwich had a higher league 1 attendance than their final 3 seasons in the championship prior to relegation.
- Reading's has gone down marginally.
- Sheffield United's went down by about 6/7000.
- Sheffield wednesday's went down marginally.
- Sunderland's went up but was still down by around 25% from the premier league 2 season prior to relegation to league 1
- Wolves down marginally.


I couldn't be bothered to think of other clubs similar to us or slightly bigger but that alone shows relegation to league 1 doesn't automatically mean our attendances and fanbase will drop off a cliff. Realistically, the club being smart with ticket prices and a solid start will have us with near enough similar attendances if not significantly better, because we'll actually be winning.

If we’re doing well and games at Cardiff City Stadium become more enjoyable i can see us getting a higher average gate in League One - it’s only six years ago that we averaged 30,000 plus in the Premier League.

[Der Kaiser]

If we’re doing well and games at Cardiff City Stadium become more enjoyable i can see us getting a higher average gate in League One - it’s only six years ago that we averaged 30,000 plus in the Premier League.

Agreed, it really won't take much. People want entertaining and to be apart of something exciting, I'm not entirely sure the division we're in is as important as others are making out it is.

[The Lone Gunman]

Agreed, it really won't take much. People want entertaining and to be apart of something exciting, I'm not entirely sure the division we're in is as important as others are making out it is.

I reckon it would be important if promotion to the Premier League was a possibility. Crowds then would definitely be bigger than if promotion from League One was on the cards.

However, I really don't think there would be much of a difference between the crowds watching a City team in the top six of League One by comparison to a City team in the bottom six of the Championship.

The declared attendances will certainly drop next season whatever happens in the next two games. After all, the number of season ticket holders not bothering to turn up for games this season has been quite dramatic. A good percentage of those people are highly unlikely to renew whichever division the team is in.

[Pug]

Obviously we haven't been relegated yet, but baring minor miracles we will be. I see quite a few of you think this squad of players is better than the performances having shown. Be that down to to poor management or of field issues, this maybe the case.
But what I have seen especially at home is a team with the most limited ability any since we made it back to the championship. We don't have one defender who can command the back 4, we dont have one player who can control the ball and look like he has time and space to command the midfield and we have no one upfront with ability to scare opposition defences. In fact I have never seen a more one paced city team in thought and deed than this for a long time. There is no suprise we are on the brink, the team is poor. And for Division 1 I see no difference, I see none of our main starting players setting the division on fire. We have built a team of division 1 standard players and it looks like where it's heading!

[Pedro de la Rosa]

I reckon it would be important if promotion to the Premier League was a possibility. Crowds then would definitely be bigger than if promotion from League One was on the cards.

However, I really don't think there would be much of a difference between the crowds watching a City team in the top six of League One by comparison to a City team in the bottom six of the Championship.

The declared attendances will certainly drop next season whatever happens in the next two games. After all, the number of season ticket holders not bothering to turn up for games this season has been quite dramatic. A good percentage of those people are highly unlikely to renew whichever division the team is in.

Making CCS enjoyable again is the priority. The easiest way to do that is winning football games. We've won 30 games in the last 4 seasons. Pitiful stuff. No wonder people don't want to come.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Making CCS enjoyable again is the priority. The easiest way to do that is winning football games. We've won 30 games in the last 4 seasons. Pitiful stuff. No wonder people don't want to come.

20mph killed it, it's all Drippys fault.

[Tuerto]

Obviously we haven't been relegated yet, but baring minor miracles we will be. I see quite a few of you think this squad of players is better than the performances having shown. Be that down to to poor management or of field issues, this maybe the case.
But what I have seen especially at home is a team with the most limited ability any since we made it back to the championship. We don't have one defender who can command the back 4, we dont have one player who can control the ball and look like he has time and space to command the midfield and we have no one upfront with ability to scare opposition defences. In fact I have never seen a more one paced city team in thought and deed than this for a long time. There is no suprise we are on the brink, the team is poor. And for Division 1 I see no difference, I see none of our main starting players setting the division on fire. We have built a team of division 1 standard players and it looks like where it's heading!

Have a look at how many touches our players take before releasing the ball, 3 or 4 on almost every occasion, especially in midfield, it slows everything down, allows the opposition to get back in, and the next pass is easy for our opponents to deal with, it stops any momentum. It's because everone is square on, no angles, hardly any movement, and when players do make short runs (Colwill is good at this) they invariably don't receive the ball, because the clown with the ball doesn't have the abilty to see the run before it happens. This is what we're dealing with, game after game, and it's why we can't play through teams, we never do, Everything is done in front of the opposition, and it's slow. Ramsey played that through ball to Ashford? for the alech goal at Sunderland, apart from that there hasn't been anything of note.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Have a look at how many touches our players take before releasing the ball, 3 or 4 on almost every occasion, especially in midfield, it slows everything down, allows the opposition to get back in, and the next pass is easy for our opponents to deal with, it stops any momentum. It's because everone is square on, no angles, hardly any movement, and when players do make short runs (Colwill is good at this) they invariably don't receive the ball, because the clown with the ball doesn't have the abilty to see the run before it happens. This is what we're dealing with, game after game, and it's why we can't play through teams, we never do, Everything is done in front of the opposition, and it's slow. Ramsey played that through ball to Ashford? for the alech goal at Sunderland, apart from that there hasn't been anything of note.

Mannsverk is still taking a few touches now

[North Cardiff Blue]

Have a look at how many touches our players take before releasing the ball, 3 or 4 on almost every occasion, especially in midfield, it slows everything down, allows the opposition to get back in, and the next pass is easy for our opponents to deal with, it stops any momentum. It's because everone is square on, no angles, hardly any movement, and when players do make short runs (Colwill is good at this) they invariably don't receive the ball, because the clown with the ball doesn't have the abilty to see the run before it happens. This is what we're dealing with, game after game, and it's why we can't play through teams, we never do, Everything is done in front of the opposition, and it's slow. Ramsey played that through ball to Ashford? for the alech goal at Sunderland, apart from that there hasn't been anything of note.

The wors thing is that even the strikers are taking two touches before losing it instead of shooting as well now.

[Tuerto]

Mannsverk is still taking a few touches now

The problem is that some of this lot think they're good players, and all they have to do is go out and 'play' None of our defenders want to take responsibility, passing players on, looking at each other in dis belief when an opposition player finds space between them, they're quiet and think that they're footballers before defenders, and all that in a relegation battle. Utter ****ing madness. I swear it's some of these coaches feeding them bullshit.