Reply With QuoteThey should be replaced by Elbow.Originally Posted by JamesWales
By the way, did you know that the words 'patella' (knee cap) and 'paella' are cognate. Clue: it's about being dish-shaped, the latter being prepared in a pan of that shape.
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More gigs cancelled.
Should they play Glastonbury?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8x8n5kn80qo
They should be replaced by Elbow.
By the way, did you know that the words 'patella' (knee cap) and 'paella' are cognate. Clue: it's about being dish-shaped, the latter being prepared in a pan of that shape.
I reserve the spare capacity inside my brain for useful information
I thought the right wing were all for free speech???
Yes they are,when it suits them.
Quite act to deploy a bit of political sectarianism I guess, but condemnation come from across the spectrum.
Difficult one really, there has been some decent discussions on it. I don't think their fairly weak apology helped them much really.
Encouraging people to kill others would surely be most people's idea of crossing the threshold into criminal territory.
' I want all Tories dead' - offensive but I'd imagine legal.
'kill your local mp' - incitement, a direct call to action and therefore criminal?
Will be interesting to see what the decision of the police is
i thought the far left were all for locking up people who called for violence???????
Isn't some bird who went on a twitter rant after the brutal murder of 3 children doing porridge for this type of hate speech ?
Counter terrorism police investigating.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyqe3v5jjdo
They could be in big trouble here. Shouting about "Kill your MP" and the "only good Tory is a dead Tory" to a large audience who are lapping it up, just a few months after one was killed in their constituency is potentially a very serious offence.
Same if they shouted "Up Hamas and Up Hezbollah", for which there are videos, apparently.
The woman who was jailed for calling for hotels to be set alight was jailed for 31 months.
I'm partial to a bit of angry rap. I love RATM and saw Idles last summer. Also enjoy Irish folk music including Irish rebel music, but I do think they have crossed a line and they seem thoroughly unlikeable (being a tosser is not a crime of course). It will be interesting to see what happens in light of the wider "two-tier justice" arguments.
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A sensible tour around the controversy.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...re-free-speech
Weak, because they don't mean it (concerning Israel) and i agree with them. We'll hear more about this over the next few days than we will about Israel starving Palestinian children to death. Oh well.......
News deflection lesson one!
Some of the stuff they have said onstage - in the heat of a gig - is crass and wrong. The ‘kill your MP’ line was bound to be taken literally by some.
Some is clearly 100% right and they should be applauded for taking a stand and using their platform to demand justice for the victims of genocide.
But the most important lesson from this episode is that Sharon Osbourne is the real victim.
Yeah but the issue isn't about the controversial (but acceptable) things they may say is it? Same with the people jailed last summer. No doubt they believed in some nice ideals too and loved their mams and things.
The fact you opposed Israel doesn't mean you can talk about killing MPs and support proscribed groups, does it?
It’s funny, a group talks about murder and people are up in arms on phone ins and social media and a country actually continues to murder innocent children and adults and the same people sit on their hands. What Hamas did on 7 October 2023 deserved a measured response from Israel, but, nineteen months later, it’s long since exceeded that. Similarly, Kneecap (who I had not heard of before last weekend) should have apologised for what they said and have done - that should be an end to the matter and they should now play at Glastonbury.
I listened to five minutes of Radio 5’s phone in on Kneecap yesterday and there was someone who said that he couldn’t get his head around how there had not been a phone in on the atrocities being committed by Israel in Gaza since the ceasefire was broken by them on 18 March. Nicky Campbell was forced to admit this was right - that is a disgrace, individuals like that awful woman wrongly sent to prison for two and a half years and a band saying similar type things to what the Sex Pistols were saying nearly fifty years ago are debated till the cows come home, yet a country that kills thousands of innocents (and were killing thousands before 7/10/23) is almost given a free pass.
There are all sorts of reasons why Israel is treated with kid gloves and I’ve always thought that in the west, one of them is that they’re thought of as being “one of us” - they’re civilised in a way that “the Arabs” aren’t. Well, Israel, especially under this Government, long since gave up any such claims and I’m afraid I can’t get too worked up about what some band wanting to be controversial are saying while Israel is allowed to get away with what it’s done to Gaza.
All very valid points Bob, but I'm not sure what it has to do with kneecaps comments on MPs and support for proscribed groups and whether they should have gigs cancelled and the like?
It would be more humane to "elbow" them out rather than "kneecap" them.
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When the establishment tries to silence a band, there is only one winner.
Their notoriety has hit the stratosphere!
Free Speech for all even if you don’t like it.
Sympathetic to that view and I do think the balance hasn't been struck in the right place in recent years, but the line is always (and should always be) drawn at incitement to violence / hatred. That surely has to be the line in the sand, no?
The question is whether kneecap crossed that line
charged with a terrorist offence , just a silly mistake or a call to kill jews?
A ‘call to kill jews’?
They made a stupid comment about ‘killing’ MPs - which was a poor ‘joke’ (not funny, even in the moment) and they apologised. Not even David Amess’s daughter thought they meant it literally.
Where does your take come from?
I think he's in big trouble. And their daft statement to the charges today won't help one bit.
You can see the video that's prompted it here:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9ie5qs
Let's be honest, when someone uses words like "rape" or "kill", context matters a lot. Some CCFC fans chanting "gas a jack" doesn't mean they mean it. Talking about killing someone online is more often than not closer in context to a teenager telling his parents to "f**k off and die" than it is a credible death threat.
The problem for kneecap is that they are dripping in nationalist and terrorist iconography, and not of some distant groups, but groups that are out there and killing people pretty much as we type.
The name itself refers to IRA punishments, one fellas name is a play on the word Provo (Provisional IRA). Wearing a balaclava is of course not a crime but I don't think he's doing it cos he's cold.
Then you have the band member in question who holds up a Hezbollah flag (a proscribed terrorist group) and shouts "Up Hamas" (a proscribed terrorist group) and "Up Hezbollah" to a cheering audience who are clearly lapping it up.
The fact he's guilty of being a naive idiot is probably not in doubt, but really it's pretty cut and dried in terms of showing outward support for banned groups and why would some people not take it literally? If they wouldn't take that literally, then no audience will take anything literally and it's open season for anyone to say what they like and wave any flag they like and promote what they like.
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't serve time (which will probably help with record sales) and if he doesn't the claims of a two tier justice system will be given rocket fuel and understandably so.
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