Runcorn by election.

[Eric Cartman]

Starmers response to the reduced Labour vote is an interesting one.

Rather than pull back on policies such as benefit cuts he appears to suggest they need to become more like Reform/Tories.

Good to see Sir Kier as a man of principles (the massive cuunt).

Stagnant wages at low/mid levels shrinking the potential targets for increased taxation, growing retired class due to property wealth and a massive increase in numbers in receipt of some kind of disability benefit basically puts the government (whoever it is) in a no win situation. The numbers don't add up now and that will only get worse over the coming years with the increase in prevalence of disabilities amongst teenagers.

Have read a fair few 'labour need to be more labour to win over voters' articles/quotes and all they talk about is cancelling benefit cuts (including means testing of wfa). Might be blunt of me but my version of labour 'being more labour' would involve becoming bolder and more ambitious on policies that affect everyone in the UK, I can't see that happening with reeves as chancellor though.

[JamesWales]

That's all very romantic but the rot started with thatcherism

I sincerely hope starmer is forced out sooner rather than later

Guaranteed you live in a home thats paid off.

[Eric Cartman]

Interested to see what they actually do with a bit of power. Seen precious little in the way of policy ideas from them at the moment. I think so far they've been all about stoking anger, very easy to be all things to all people when that's your approach. I'm not expecting great things, but you never know, they may surprise .

Really do think they're going to come unstuck though. It seems like a fair part of the population thinks that local councils are spaffing all the money that should go on bin collections and potholes on DEI and immigrants. When reform are the ones who have to explain that actually the majority of funds are going on care, with a small percentage left for the rest, what will their supporters think?

Councils by and large spend their money on statutory duties relating to social care and SEND. The public think they spend all their money on collecting bins and fixing potholes.

I remember watching a question on local authorities during one of the leaders debates before the general election and all Rishi and Starmer talked about was bins and potholes.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Same old story. People who have housing security slagging off those who don't.

The difference is that the left isn't offering any answers whatsoever. I bet all of you that bleat on here have homes with mortgages paid off. No idea how things are in the real world nowadays.

Have you been on the piss ?

I don't think housing security or lack of it has anything to do with dislike of farage and right wing voting

Lots of daft old racists in retirement with second homes ticking the box for reform

What a load of nonsense

Go to bed you drunk 🥴

[JamesWales]

Have you been on the piss ?

I don't think housing security or lack of it has anything to do with dislike of farage and right wing voting

Lots of daft old racists in retirement with second homes ticking the box for reform

What a load of nonsense

Go to bed you drunk 🥴

Yadda Yadda. You live in a home with no mortgage, right?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Guaranteed you live in a home thats paid off.

Yes you are definitely pissed up again

It's perfectly possible to be financially OK yet dislike the likes of farage and reform and the divisive policies they promote

And , of course , far more people are voting against farage , even without counting the Conservative vote .....than are supporting him

So whilst it's clear you have for some time been jumping aboard his motorbike as far as I and the majority of the voting public are concerned we ain't being fooled

That applies to plenty of people with loads of cash and more financial security than the likes of anyone in the real world that you speak of and loads with absolutely nothing

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Have you been on the piss ?

I don't think housing security or lack of it has anything to do with dislike of farage and right wing voting

Lots of daft old racists in retirement with second homes ticking the box for reform

What a load of nonsense

Go to bed you drunk ��

So the only people who vote Labour, liberal or conservative and don't like the right wing reform party are home owners with financial security

And the people who vote reform are renting

Like you

Or pissed

Or both

[JamesWales]

So the only people who vote Labour, liberal or conservative and don't like the right wing reform party are home owners with financial security

And the people who vote reform are renting

Like you

Or pissed

Or both

Of courrse thats not the case. But there is an underlying tone of comfort from most of you guys.

[the other bob wilson]

Of courrse thats not the case. But there is an underlying tone of comfort from most of you guys.

[goats]

When are the next elections here in Wales? Going to be interesting

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

When are the next elections here in Wales? Going to be interesting

May next year , 2026 I think

I think reform will win which is ironically amusing given that the idiots in charge has arranged for an extra 30 seats for what is a joke of a parliament and so amateurish





Eluned Morgan is starting to distance herself from Labour in Westminster but it's too late

Carwyn Jones has been the only decent leader in 25 years

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Of courrse thats not the case. But there is an underlying tone of comfort from most of you guys.

Cobblers

Next you will be saying you have to be living in Gaza to comment on the Palestinian situation

[Wales-Bales]

I'm a bit older than yourself although TBF you do look about 10 years older than me.

Ouch!

Post pics or it didn't happen

[Heathblue]

That's all very romantic but the rot started with thatcherism

I sincerely hope starmer is forced out sooner rather than later

Wow, You want Nigel ? personally i think the rot started with Robert Walpole.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Wow, You want Nigel ? personally i think the rot started with Robert Walpole.

No I would rather that shocker kemi tory girl than Nigel Farage

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Ouch!

Post pics or it didn't happen

He's living in the clouds with that one

[Heathblue]

No I would rather that shocker kemi tory girl than Nigel Farage

I have to go out for a few hours but some light hearted reading for you whilst watching the premier league games.


British Prime Ministers

I was 1st eligible to Vote in 1979

Our prime ministers since and including 1979

1979 – Margaret Thatcher
1990 – John major
1997 – Tony Blair
2007 – Gordon Brown
2010 – David Cameron
2016 – Theresa May
2019 – Boris Johnson
2022 – Rishi Sunak
2024 – Keir Starmer

Lettuce Liz hasn’t been included (50 days !!!)

On the basis of full years only, I have lived under Tory rule for 30 years and labour Rule for 13 years, the 1st 18 years from birth hasn’t been included.

19 of the years have been with WEF stooges running the country
13 of years of the WEF stooges have been under Labour
6 of years of the WEF stooges have been under the Tories (David Cameron)
24 of the years have been without the PM being a WEF stooge with 11 of these years attributed to Maggie


Never once have I voted for a Tory at national level or at local level but!! and there is usually a but!!!, I stopped voting GE’s at Tony Blair, it was an easy decision to make once it was established that his government in lock step with Bush and other leaders in Europe bombed the shit out of IRAQ based on lies, I have voted in local elections periodically since, usually Labour but have gone independent on two occasions, not voting Tory isn’t a badge of honour, people are entitled to vote for their preferred choice in a democracy, I tend to think that the family background has a profound affect with your politics especially when younger, with my family coming out of Grangetown and Splott, it was only going to be RED although oddly one of my Grandparents who was a steelworker was a big Maggie voter.

My PM ratings

1979 – Margaret Thatcher, Heartless and a Warmonger
1990 – John Major, a bit of a nothing burger only notoriety was that of porking Edwina
1997 – Tony Blair, worst prime minister of my lifetime and should have been prosecuted for War Crimes
2007 – Gordon Brown, a disaster selling more than half of the countries Gold reserves for a song (who benefitted ? !!!)
2010 – David Cameron, another nothing burger but shit himself after giving the Brexit Vote and it didn’t go as he expected, a yellow streak of piss
2016 – Theresa May, a full-on globalist WEFer, totally fkin spineless and useless
2019 – Boris Johnson, if we didn’t have Tony Blair, would be my candidate for worst, lying sack of shit (even bigger liar than the rest), wash your hands, Just F**K off.
2022 – Rishi Sunak was Labours biggest asset, weak with no bollox.
2024 – Keir Starmer, lets see how it pans out but hasn’t been a very good start, if he lasts the distance, he may well out lie Boris Johnson

Next PM, its pointing at Farage at the moment but I do see the elections between the general elections as protest votes and I suspect that people will revert to type at the next GE, I do hope I’m around to see his smug grin disappear in an instant. But having lived for 30 years under PM’s I didn’t vote for (democracy) Farage if elected would just be business as usual.
Have a good day watching Liverpool Later

[+ the native hipster]

Guaranteed you live in a home thats paid off.

lets hope he doesn't live in rented accommodation , because as a slum landlord myself , l'm taking serco's money

[Heathblue]

I wonder if more than 6 coffin dodgers or more than 6 Waspi women voted reform? Breaking a manifesto has consequences.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

If Starmer is forced out by his own MPs then it's vital Reeves goes with him

Pair of shockers

[the other bob wilson]

The complacency in the final paragraph here is breathtaking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg1rgr25e7o

As is the assumption that voters will return to Labour in a general election where Prime Minister Farage is a realistic prospect.

There’s no way I’d vote Farage, but, based on their record so far, there’s no way I’ll be voting Labour either.

Meanwhile Keir “I get it” Starmer is saying there’ll be no change of policy regarding cold weather payments and benefit cuts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0xee5krnno

[Elwood Blues]

If Starmer is forced out by his own MPs then it's vital Reeves goes with him

Pair of shockers

The problem is, who will replace him.

The dearth of suitable candidates for the leaders job in either main party is far worse than it has ever been since I began to have an understanding of politics in the sixties.

Perhaps with the exception of Andy Burnham, but he is not an MP at present.

I am not sure there is a suitable Tory, with the possible exception of Tom Tughendat

[Eric Cartman]

The complacency in the final paragraph here is breathtaking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg1rgr25e7o

As is the assumption that voters will return to Labour in a general election where Prime Minister Farage is a realistic prospect.

There’s no way I’d vote Farage, but, based on their record so far, there’s no way I’ll be voting Labour either.

Meanwhile Keir “I get it” Starmer is saying there’ll be no change of policy regarding cold weather payments and benefit cuts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0xee5krnno

I am not convinced it's as breathtaking as you think. We have already seen an association with the American right/trump costing votes in Germany and elections in Canada and Australia.

Farage and Reform are already leaning hard into phoney doge and dei narratives and will doubtlessly continue to be trump-aligned until the bitter end. I actually think the prospect of marmite pantomime villain Farage becoming PM might be the only thing that can save Labour at the next election although some kind of LD/LAB coalition certainly looks more likely right now.

[the other bob wilson]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rmers-policies

[Elwood Blues]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rmers-policies

Someone is getting worried about next year's Sender election!