Reply With QuoteIn that case, you must be trapped inside that bubble and never venture outside it.Originally Posted by Father Dougal
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Not just tan out or choo out etc.....
We aren't alone in having difficult owners. Derby, Coventry, Reading and many many others have had difficulties recently and been in the National press for their club being at risk. However all seem to be sorted now?
At cardiff ironically one issue is I don't think anyone outside our bubble would think there is much wrong with our ownership? The rebrand got attention yes but otherwise off the pitch what is there to say? He keeps putting money in but it's being spent badly?
So I'm just trying to think what are the avenues things could change?
Is it simply a rich owner buying tan out? Which sounds great but there are risks with that also.
Is it waiting for things to get really really bad at cardiff and administration (a points deduction in league 1 may not bother the club) and someone coming in then?
Is it the trust having a say if things got really bad?
I'm just not sure what the route is or could be? How have the others above come out stronger? All I can think is it things need to get a lot worse than they are now before any positive change can come?
In that case, you must be trapped inside that bubble and never venture outside it.
Agree, the problem is 100% the ownership. Next thread!
I don't see Tan making any changes in the near future. He may sell up if losses get too bad, or if he feels like taking a step back (retirement), but you don't know who we might end up with. That said, Tan could easily wipe out the debt, if he really wanted to sell, which can't be a bad thing.
I'm more concerned what might happen were Tan to die (heaven forbid). I can't see his family of the business wanting to keep hold of the club for long, if that was to happen.
Sorry by bubble I mean cardiff fans.
I don't think fans of other clubs would have cardiff as being a really worryingly badly run club in the way Coventry Derby and reading have been?
If we see problems in how other clubs are run it is safe to assume other team's fans know of our problems. Just last week the second tier podcast ran a feature on us. It's true we don't have financial problems, as long as Tan doesn't croak and his family stop bankrolling us, but we have so many other problems.
And isn't that quite the paradox and shows what a strange situation we are in.
Perhaps the biggest risk is tan not being able to continue funding us like he is.
We are completely paralysed.
I know what you meant. You seem to believe nobody outside Cardiff's fanbase would regard Vincent Tan as a poor club owner. If that's the case, you're well wide of the mark.
I can remember the pre-season odds thread in which TOBW posted this:
"The Second Tier has us finishing 18th - essentially they think we're going nowhere under Vincent Tan. I was struck by how much the podcast's season prediction of an eighteenth place finish was put down to the fact that we are owned by Tan."
The Second Tier podcast wasn't the only one to have made similar observations. In recent years there have been numerous articles, podcasts, reports, etc, from outside our fanbase that have suggested the club is going nowhere good under this owner.
Somehow, get the Malaysian Business world and public informed on Tan's shame. As we all know, businesses and the general public at large, don't like to fail ( They're different to the rest of the world) and if or when they do, it brings great shame on the person and their families, leaving now option but to stop what they're doing, sell everything and go and live in a cave until the end of eternity.
That's not true.
Speaking with fans of Championship sides, it's us and Sheffield Wednesday that get slated for having the worst ownership. Chansiri at Wednesday actively argues with and insults Wednesday fans on LinkedIn on the regular, so even Tan has a better temperament than him, but at least Wednesday have found a really good manager to stand by.
When we got promoted to the Premier first time Malky had assembled a side of battlers which was more than enough to win the Championship. However it lacked flair and Premier quality. This needed addressing urgently pre season to inject the required calibre of players into the side and get them bedded in.
This didn't happen. It wasn't entirely Malky's fault because many players on his recruitment list were not enth
.... enthusiastic about joining Cardiff as we were viewed as too unfashionable. So Malky failed to plug the gap in quality and continued with the same calibre of player, same plan and the same tactics which won the Championship title. This was never likely to succeed in the Premier.
On the other hand, Tan must shoulder greater responsibility for the failure. He spectacularly underestimated the amount of budget required to make the squad Premier ready and I seem to recall him bleating on after his fallout with Malky about the manager overspending on the recruitment budget because the entire money was intended to have been spent on WAGES and Transfer Fees as opposed to only the latter! A prime example of cloud cuckoo thinking and lack of preparedness if ever there were one.
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