Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

[the other bob wilson]

Just one question from me - is anyone on here aware of anyone who did not vote Labour last July who has changed their minds and are planning to vote for them now? I’m not, yet Starmer seems to be pursuing policies aimed at getting Reform voters from last year’s election to vote for him while taking what’s left of the traditional Labour vote for granted.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Just one question from me - is anyone on here aware of anyone who did not vote Labour last July who has changed their minds and are planning to vote for them now? I’m not, yet Starmer seems to be pursuing policies aimed at getting Reform voters from last year’s election to vote for him while taking what’s left of the traditional Labour vote for granted.

"Traditional Labour" is not necessarily something that relates to much of the electorate these days and Labour is genuinely concerned that Reform is peeling votes away from them.

[the other bob wilson]

"Traditional Labour" is not necessarily something that relates to much of the electorate these days and Labour is genuinely concerned that Reform is peeling votes away from them.

There are still millions who consider themselves to be centre/left or left wing who feel they are natural Labour voters. It seems to me that this Government is taking them for granted and risk losing them (they’ve, almost certainly, lost my vote) while chasing after the votes of people who, in most cases, would never support them.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

There are still millions who consider themselves to be centre/left or left wing who feel they are natural Labour voters. It seems to me that this Government is taking them for granted and risk losing them (they’ve, almost certainly, lost my vote) while chasing after the votes of people who, in most cases, would never support them.

He's got to go he's absolutely hopeless

Whoever writes his speeches and advises him on policy needs binning

It's a waste of time trying to pull back any of those who are voting reform

Most were former tory voters , by some margin

Labour need to regroup and get into bed with the other non tory and non reform parties and they all need to stop bickering because if they don't reform and the Tories will be running the country in a little over 4 years

Starmer and his main team are all toxic to even most Labour supporters and the first casualty of this war has got to be them

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

"Traditional Labour" is not necessarily something that relates to much of the electorate these days and Labour is genuinely concerned that Reform is peeling votes away from them.

It's gone beyond genuine concern most of my mates think starmer is dreadful and want him replaced ASAP

I agree with them

He's no midas

[stevo]

No fan of Starmer to begin with. I'm even less of a fan now.

Someone needs to sell the benefits of a diverse culture to the UK public, not reinforce any racism they may have.

[Dorcus]

"Traditional Labour" is not necessarily something that relates to much of the electorate these days and Labour is genuinely concerned that Reform is peeling votes away from them.

That's an urban myth.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

That's an urban myth.

Why so?

[Dorcus]

Why so?

It's often been stated but without any evidence.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

It's often been stated but without any evidence.

Union membership has halved in the last 50 years and Labour victories in recent decades have been on the back of Labour moving away from the 'traditional' values of old Labour and to a more central ground, methinks.

[Eric Cartman]

Just one question from me - is anyone on here aware of anyone who did not vote Labour last July who has changed their minds and are planning to vote for them now? I’m not, yet Starmer seems to be pursuing policies aimed at getting Reform voters from last year’s election to vote for him while taking what’s left of the traditional Labour vote for granted.

The criticisms of Starmer's language around migration are just nonsense in my opinion, I haven't seen any convincing piece yet to justify it.

Putting that aside, I don't think the policies will win votes unless they work, the public were lied to about migration for years (X target, then X target again, then Brexit will reduce it). The sad truth about the British public is that if Starmer reduces migration substantially, there's a good chance he wins the next election. He could make no progress elsewhere and it wouldn't matter to a lot of people.

I don't tend to ask people how they have voted so wouldn't know if any have switched.

[Eric Cartman]

Here is the speech from gov.uk, so that people can cite parts of it they actively disagree with:

Edit/ completely fecked up pasting it in full so here is the link

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-remarks-at-immigration-white-paper-press-conference-12-may-2025

Edit2/ now I've ****ed the link up, I give up

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The criticisms of Starmer's language around migration are just nonsense in my opinion, I haven't seen any convincing piece yet to justify it.

Putting that aside, I don't think the policies will win votes unless they work, the public were lied to about migration for years (X target, then X target again, then Brexit will reduce it). The sad truth about the British public is that if Starmer reduces migration substantially, there's a good chance he wins the next election. He could make no progress elsewhere and it wouldn't matter to a lot of people.

I don't tend to ask people how they have voted so wouldn't know if any have switched.

You are very much in the minority

He's been slated across the board and rightly so

It was an embarrassment to listen to that speech

He's about as sincere as a soggy cheese sandwich

Get rid of him Labour

[Heathblue]

Is Charlie free gear Kier faaaaar right ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It appears to be getting more desperate by the day

The average lead for reform seems to be about 5 points over Labour

That's an absolute hammering in an election with reform being the biggest party , short of a majority but easily able to form a coalition with the Tories who would clearly jump at the chance

Starmer and his team are dead in the water , sinking after torpedo after torpedo

The only hope is for him to be toppled

If he isn't it's curtains

[jon1959]

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...cles-for-you_1

[the other bob wilson]

The criticisms of Starmer's language around migration are just nonsense in my opinion, I haven't seen any convincing piece yet to justify it.

Putting that aside, I don't think the policies will win votes unless they work, the public were lied to about migration for years (X target, then X target again, then Brexit will reduce it). The sad truth about the British public is that if Starmer reduces migration substantially, there's a good chance he wins the next election. He could make no progress elsewhere and it wouldn't matter to a lot of people.

I don't tend to ask people how they have voted so wouldn't know if any have switched.

So, to answer my question, you know no one who has switched to Labour since the 2024 election. Furthermore, there has been no replies yet in this thread from people who do know someone who plans to change their vote to Labour next time and, if people answer truthfully, I’m not expecting the situation to change. New Governments (I still believe this one just about qualifies as one) usually enjoy a boost in the polls following an election win, but Labour never did despite starting with an absurdly low percentage of the votes for the number of seats they won. It takes something special to become this unpopular so quickly, but Labour have managed it by what I’d say is a mixture of ineptitude, naivety and bare faced lying from the leader.