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  1. #26

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Barring a scandal he'll be in PM for a while yet!
    The longer he's in the worse it's going to get

  2. #27

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Barring a scandal he'll be in PM for a while yet!
    Tommy Robinson is a thug

    Thatcher was right wing and her economic policy extreme but she wasn't a racist

  3. #28

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Tommy Robinson is a thug

    Thatcher was right wing and her economic policy extreme but she wasn't a racist
    Yeah what I mean, is that anyone making a variety of valid, but controversial or difficult points is frequently shut down by accusations that they are something they aren't. You know my thoughts on the casual use of Hitlers name, but it's the same with the other names mentioned. It's a distraction tactic.

    This isnt just from the Left of course. The clasc example is labelling any criticism of Israel as antisemitism or labelling anyone with fairly firm left wing views as being a Commie etc.

    As I type, a pretty intense take down from Starmer on Plaids Liz Saville- Roberts in PMQs!

  4. #29

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The longer he's in the worse it's going to get
    I disagree, voters have short memories. 18 months before the next election they will be looking to win some back and if the economy has improved it'll probably work

  5. #30

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I disagree, voters have short memories. 18 months before the next election they will be looking to win some back and if the economy has improved it'll probably work
    And some people will be telling others how to tactically vote them back in.

  6. #31

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The longer he's in the worse it's going to get
    Red Ed will make sure of that.

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    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Red Ed will make sure of that.
    No one has confirmed if he's faaaar right or not yet 🤣🤣🤣

  8. #33

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    And some people will be telling others how to tactically vote them back in.
    yes, I look forward to it

  9. #34

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Here is the speech from gov.uk, so that people can cite parts of it they actively disagree with:

    Edit/ completely fecked up pasting it in full so here is the link

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...ce-12-may-2025

    Edit2/ now I've ****ed the link up, I give up
    Here you go

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...ce-12-may-2025

  10. #35

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    yes, I look forward to it
    That's why some of us have a Plan B for our futures, and our children's futures.

  11. #36

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    No one has confirmed if he's faaaar right or not yet 🤣🤣🤣
    You are definitely heading in that direction , it's all you go on about

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    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You are definitely heading in that direction , it's all you go on about

    Shurrup ya big tart, shall we move on to David Lammys taxi today ? 😂

  13. #38

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    Shurrup ya big tart, shall we move on to David Lammys taxi today ? 😂
    Christ what's he done now ?

    He's absolutely hopeless too

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    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Christ what's he done now ?

    He's absolutely hopeless too
    Nothing much, a few sherbets and made a bit of a mess in the taxi (slow news day) many of us have done after a night on the piss
    I think he's a very good orator, content is not up too much, but a good speaker.

  15. #40

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Man charged in connection with the Starmer fires is a Ukrainian guy. I wonder what that's all about

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdedkr9439wo

  16. #41

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathblue View Post
    Nothing much, a few sherbets and made a bit of a mess in the taxi (slow news day) many of us have done after a night on the piss
    I think he's a very good orator, content is not up too much, but a good speaker.
    I am not convinced by any of the labour team

    Starmer , Reeves, Cooper , Rayner , Kendal , Powell , Lammy

    Hopeless all of them

    That Welsh secretary is poor too

    I would bin the lot of them

  17. #42

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Electoral Calculus is a good site

    It's just done a report on why reforms vote is increasing so much

    It's summary ....

    The Economy ....stagnant for several years

    Immigration

    The NHS

    They conclude that whilst Reform are not providing any solutions its almost as if some are saying why not five them a go , it couldn't get any worse , could it ?

    Which is worrying for the main parties if not the country

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  19. #44

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I disagree, voters have short memories. 18 months before the next election they will be looking to win some back and if the economy has improved it'll probably work
    Well I would prefer a Labour government to reform but I think unless starmer goes its all too late

  20. #45

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Red Ed will make sure of that.
    Ed Milliband ?

    He's even more hopeless than Starmer

  21. #46

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    So, can we all at least agree that Plaid Cymru is the way forward?

    Thank you.

  22. #47

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Why?

  23. #48

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Why?
    I don’t think he went to Albania to hear the Albanians say they did not agree to what he’d just spoken about.

  24. #49

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I don’t think he went to Albania to hear the Albanians say they did not agree to what he’d just spoken about.
    I was reading about this on Reddit this morning, apparently the media coverage was cut to make it look as though it was an Albanian response/answer to a Starmer answer, when in fact the Albanian Prime Minister was asked his question first and Starmer's question about return hubs came after. The guy who was claiming this linked to the full press conference and was pretty confident but the captioning on the press conference is difficult to follow so I gave up trying to confirm his claim.

    Not sure to what end but if the above is true, the press seemed determined to turn 'Starmer goes to Albania to talk about cooperation in a number of areas' into 'starmer embarrassed as he pleads with albania for return hubs and they say no'

  25. #50

    Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

    The constant hammering of immigration by the last few governments has been particularly bad for me - having married an immigrant a couple of years back.

    The fees involved increased massively under the tories, not only the visa fees themselves, but the NHS surcharge they have to pay went up from 600 ish a year to over 1000 a year, over the course of a 5 year immigration process this adds thousands of pounds per person.

    Now Labour want to increase the language requirements to A2 (previously B2) which is quite a big jump and worst of all extend the process from 5 years to 10 years - that will cost us tens of thousands more if it is put in place before we complete the ILR process.

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