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A few times over the last 23 years I’ve wanted to move back and bring my Mrs.Originally Posted by Rjk
The financial hurdles were always too big.
As much as I miss the place, it’s probably for the best.
It’s not just the place but the times that I had there then will never be the same.
One day though, maybe!
You’re not missing anything. It’s worse than you remember.
You should be admired I suppose for your defence of starmer and Labour
But it's all too late
His position is now toxic
He will soon be a dead man walking
Wait till Nigel gets in
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This article, more than any other I've read, captures why I've come to thoroughly despise the leader of the party I've voted for through most of my adult life.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinio...t-racist-right
Can't remember who said this and where I heard it, but it was on some Podcast. Apparently, Starmer was in a foul mood for much of the night of his greatest triumph as he was so annoyed when it began to become clear that his majority and number of seats won was going to be lower than Tony Blair managed in 1997 - what an odd attitude and yet he govenrs as iif his majority was 17, not 170 odd.
We need a moderate party encompassing labour , liberal and old school one nation Tories
I think the problem with left of centre British politics is the fact there are too many parties all poncing about for votes
It would make sense
If Labour can't see they need to get rid of starmer rapido then it's curtains
What "left of centre" British politics? It doesn't exist.
A party to represent those that vote for it
There's loads of us , more than the right wing
We just need to knock heads together
Labour is finished
Peter Oborne accusing people of changing their morals/philosophy is pretty hilarious in and of itself but I do agree with a lot of the points in that article (notably Israel arms sales and nationalisation - which I am guessing PO himself has perhaps changed his mind on..).
The migration commentary centres around Starmer's apparent difference in opinion around migration in 2019 Vs today. I just think that is fatally flawed, I support migration at the levels we saw in 2019, I don't support 2024 levels as I just can't see how that can be sustainable, most notably because it blows a massive hole in the governments ability to deliver on promises around housing/NHS.
Peter Oborne has been very consistent in his views and arguments for at least 10 years.
Kier Starmer has done a complete 180 degree flip in 5 years.
Although to be fair to Starmer he didn’t believe what he said 5 years ago. He was and is a serial liar who says what he thinks some people want to hear, or else what Peter Mandelson whispers in his ear.
Oborne is consistently interesting (as a life long conservative). Starmer is consistently despicable (as a life long chameleon).
Oborne says himself that it can be a sign of maturity to change your mind, but not to the extent that Starmer does - not only can you not trust such a person, you have to wonder about their judgment. Oborne mentions Starmer’s wavering attitude towards Jeremy Corbyn - what’s all that about? He even lies on a personal level if it suits his current agenda, how can anyone trust anything he says?
Interesting to see Oborne mentions the possibility of Starmer losing his seat at the next Election, I reckon there’s every chance he will and I’d celebrate if he did because it would be thoroughly deserved.
Unless he's ousted Labour is absolutely finished , surely ?
Andrew Feinstein took a chunk out of Starmer’s majority at the last election - got 19% to Starmer’s 49% - with no one else in the frame.
Feinstein is a South African (worked for the ANC and for Mandela), is Jewish, and is a prominent anti-Zionist and activist for Palestine. In that seat - where he and other independents continue to campaign - he could be a real threat to Starmer next time around. Reform might be a distant third, but in that part of London the opposition is independent socialists.
Yeah I'd agree with you on Corbyn, that was political opportunism at it's finest. Corbyn bombed the 2019 election and they needed to get rid of him. I still reject (and I note nobody has tried to challenge this directly) the idea that it's a sign of inconsistency to be in favour of 2019 levels of migration and against 2024 levels of migration. Let's say net-migration was 50 million in 2025, you would be against that, right? Would that make you a hypocrite or untrustworthy?
I admire Oborne as one of the few conservative political journalists not to lean into insanity (it would have been great for him financially to do so) when the party moved that way but the migration aspect of that article is just not rational.
Nice to see a few of the big hitters in the CCMB massive throwing their choice at the ballot under the bus 🤣🤣🤣🤣 any truth in the rumours about the young Ukrainian alleged to have been involved in the fire at Sir free gears gaff ?
I think the advantage of your position ...none of the above blah blah blah .....is that you can scoff away without coming up with any options or alternatives
I have thought for many years a moderate party of labour , liberal and old school Tories backed up by a decent green agenda would be far preferable to the constant scrabble for votes we currently see
You don't offer anything except telling everyone you are some kind of visionary and you don't vote
So as far as I am concerned you may as well wobble away like a jelly in a fantasy world
I am sure if nobody voted at all we would definitely sort of the economy , the nhs and everything else
You silly sausage ��
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Starmers pathetic language and his moribund talk was the problem not the issue of immigration itself
And , of course , the pathetically weak home secretary who is now in a position to say we are doing this , this and this and we have done this that and this to start dealing with the issue of immigration ....
But when interviewed by Victoria Derbyshire she was absolutely hopeless
That's the problem
Well why don't you come up with something you hopeless old drunkRattled
I've just finished going through the process with wife and stepson, so hadethe expenses you know off times 2. It's horrendous.
And throughout the 5 years + that it was going on theyhad no accessto public funds orany supportif somethimg happened to me or my work.
As you can imagine when I see and read about what illegal immigrants can claim it doesn't make me a happy bunny.
It hasto stop.
And the Civil Rights Lawyer who went through the courts using the human rights laws to force HMG to give all these benefits which have the double effect of costing UK tax payers billionsandencouraging moreto come?
Guess, but you only get 1 guess.
I’m in the what sometimes seems to be one per cent who can’t get too worked up about immigration. In resality, I suspect that there are plenty more who feel like I do, but, in the case of Starmer’s Labour Party, they’re determined to chase the votes of a group of people who, in most cases, would never vote for them.
What you see or read isn't always the facts
https://fullfact.org/immigration/ill...nefits-access/
It appears by chasing votes to the right starmer is losing key voters to the Lib dems , greens etc or in some cases such as here in Wales, Plaid
That's going to cause him so many problems in marginal seats where he needs the votes so badly
I have sympathy for those affected by his policies but not for him and his servile bunch of wet ministers
Get him gone pronto
I'm in the 1% too Bob. There's far too many other more serious issues going on for me to get exercised over immigration. There's also far too many of the elite who are wildly happy that us proles get our anger deflected from their own interests.
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