Reply With QuoteWhy did Mayor Bass have to declare a curfew just a few hours after Ally & Rory were saying everything was very peaceful in LA?Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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I just disagree almost entirely. I find Alastair Campbell genuinely one of the most dislikeable characters in politics and gus hypocrisy is off the scale given he wanted to cancel a democrat vote. Rory Stewart is a more nuanced and interesting character but they are both on the same side in their rather hysterical takes on this issue and it clouds the rational criticisms of Trump that absolutely are valid.
Its no different to people claiming the EU is a communist, that Biden is a radical lefty or that Starmer is some globalist puppet paid by Jews or whatever.
They just ignore what they want and amplify what they want to give an unbalanced picture. For a start, they totally dismiss the riots and damage and how severe some of these have been in recent years. They dismiss immigration concerns (they probably own at least four houses between them) and ignore attacks on police etc and then take a giant leap to conclude the national guard being involved as being fascist. It isn't.
There's an issue of state rights and responsibility here and the state v federal govt argument. A fascist would want to accumulate power at the federal level. But let's look at another thing he would have been slammed for; when he granted states the power over abortion laws. Controversial, yes. But the absolute opposite of fascism, giving individual states and electoral therein to determine that policy.
It is an overreach (probably). It is definitely political, about who ultimately controls California. It is also confrontational. It's also (probably) effective. I listened to a Newsom speech yesterday that also ticks most of those definitions. He praised the police, praised a curfew, talked about American heroes and things. But because he is a Democrat, the presentation of him being a fascist is never considered. (He isn't either of course).
Look, Trump is a unique and very temperamental character. He's potentially dangerous and inflammatory, but these endless exclamations of "fascism!" are just daft, and a dishonourable liar like Alastair Campbell clutching his pearls about it makes it seem even less realistic.
People are free to protest. They aren't free to set fire to cars and loot and someone like Trump will react to that more forcefully than others and make the same political points that others did about the capitol riots.
Why did Mayor Bass have to declare a curfew just a few hours after Ally & Rory were saying everything was very peaceful in LA?
A curfew in a very small area of a very large city.
That's where the "peaceful" rioters were!
Playing the man not the ball then. I knew you’d say something like that about Campbell, but his only relevance in the point I’m making is that he lists the 14 points about Fascism. His answers don’t matter, but the questions he recites do.
So Mayor Bass is a power hungry fascist too?
It does matter, because it's his interpretation of it and he'd a very vocal political rival who I think takes a very poor take of most political topics in the last decade or so. So no, I don't agree with him.
But my thoughts on Alastair Campbell was only a small part of what I said..
What does that mean? I watched the video you posted and the Mayor was trying to put things into a context which you have ignored because it doesn’t your agenda.
She might be, i don’t know, but she only ticks about three of the fourteen boxes as far as I can see.
She is ticking some of the same boxes that Trump is ticking.
Ah, fascism light!
Fallen off the fence then I see.Ah, fascism light!
Logic doesn't choose any side.
Hands up if you called the Democrat elites a bunch of fascists when this happened in Obama's backyard.
That guy from Kung Fu is back I see.
Hardly the same thing is it - why post just a headline and not the story?Hands up if you called the Democrat elites a bunch of fascists when this happened in Obama's backyard.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2168915.html
Skimmed the thread only but from skimming i would guess that it's a another TDS thread with fascism the core subject, just looking at Wiki, fascism can be defined in a number of different ways but all not nice, and yes in a accordance with any of the definitions, OMB would fall into some of the headings and sub headings, apply the wiki definitions to the EU and the current UK PM and there may be more fascism about than thought. Cutting to the chase the peaceful protests of California are resultant from Trumps election promise to remove as many undocumented migrants sanctioned by the previous administration, IMO Trump was easily defeated at the election but not from this current unhinged crop of Democrats who's only policies were to stop Trump at all costs including assignation attempts on his life, much of western Europe has suffered riots recently largely suppressed by MSM and for the majority the core topic of public discontent is based around the countries suffering mass undocumented migration, this isn't by accident and is classic Hegelian dialectic
1) the West just bombs countries into pieces (Create the Problem)
2) the people react, (riots) due to the influx, the pressure on local services, housing etc. etc. etc.
3) Solution, 15 min cities, compulsory ID, CBDC
Through out the western world we have zillions of bald +50 year old white men (in CCMB massive speak Far Right)
or we have zillions of people who's lives are being impinged upon because of their government's previous policies of destroying other lands for ill gotten gains.
IMO, there are very few people in Europe who are against migration and that their concerns are that their governments have allowed individuals to come through via the back door and that their schools, hospitals and infrastructure, housing etc. is beyond capacity and the problems that this brings.
America needs migration and most probably will need a lot more if manufacturing does return to the country en masse, The American dream was never a dream of mine growing up but we were always aware of their green card system if that's what you wanted to do, none of us leave our front door open for passers by on the street to pop in, make a cup of coffee, go upstairs to have a bath then raid the fridge for a bite to eat do we ? we do things in other ways via charity donations etc.
IMO the volume of undocumented are far too great to just go around snatching people of the street, the scenes that follow (peaceful protests) is too big a price
Just for some breathing space
I'd think along the lines of, allowing Trump to complete his wall to get some control over the border. This would partially satisfy his voters.
Give amnesty to all who chose that route into the country as long as they give their credentials. This would partially satisfy moderate Democrats.
As part of amnesty be allowed to repatriate if the person commits certain crimes outside a set of criteria set out in the amnesty
X party talks to formulate an agreeable 10 year formula for immigration, this would be to stop what has happened in the Trump Biden years, of the president cancelling the previous president out by the way of executive orders.
Much of new industry will be employing robots, AI and modern technology. It won't necessarily be the case of human beings clocking in after streaming through the company gates in the morning.
It's also a thread about the media and the slant they put on the news, and how people process that information. Most people will subconsciously organise seemingly non-trivial data it into familiar patterns, but that is not the way to analyse complex data, so it is also a thinking problem.
They could have done exactly the same as what everybody else did - https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g...ts-Hotels.html
Whatever your political persuasion. Anybody who values democracy should want the vermin who arrested senator Padilla dealt with extremely harshly. It's not up to police, army or random thugs to strong arm politicians asking questions of other politicians. Absolutely vile. Vermin is the only word for them.
well ban robots and AI not people 👍
Seen a couple of AI things recently that have been wholly incorrect, including one video that claimed to be the oldest recorded football match.
As someone who would broadly identify as a humanist I find the whole concept increasingly depressing.
is this the one james ?
Soccer match which took place in 1897 between Glentoran and Cliftonville in Northern Ireland.
— Science girl (@gunsnrosesgirl3) June 8, 2025
This footage, now corrected for speed and colorised is thought to be the Worlds first filmed football match
pic.twitter.com/inWWsdP1um
That's the one! In fact it seems it isn't AI, but the audio isnt real, the speed is changed and colours added that aren't real.
It's impossible to tell, although in hindsight that isn't the best example if it isn't AI.
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